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Europe Still No Bargain for US Travelers

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Heinrich Coup-de-Suite
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Re: Europe and the Euro
Heinrich Coup-de-Suite   7/29/2011 3:02:37 PM
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Really?  That's the kind of bad news I didn't want to hear today.

back2basicz
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Re: Europe and the Euro
back2basicz   7/29/2011 2:56:09 PM
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Heinrich,

It won't work.

Ashish.

Heinrich Coup-de-Suite
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Re: Europe and the Euro
Heinrich Coup-de-Suite   7/29/2011 2:53:28 PM
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Well, I haven't a clear idea of what form it might take, but given that member states have a solvent financial underpinning, it would take shape much as it has.  Strictly speaking, I would characterise it as a federation, not a union, where the "fetters" are the series of treaties and agreements, across all institutions, which bind the members in a process.

As such, there's no need for MEP's to have "real power".  They legislate.  One scenario might be that member states sign on to various legislation, committing to participation in the process to the extent that their population can support.

back2basicz
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Re: Europe and the Euro
back2basicz   7/29/2011 1:09:06 PM
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Heinrich,

Could you please elaborate what kind of Union you are referring to here?

Regards

Ashish.

Heinrich Coup-de-Suite
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Re: Europe and the Euro
Heinrich Coup-de-Suite   7/29/2011 11:44:21 AM
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I don't recall that statement by Friedman, but I assume by union he meant unity of interests, not the kind of union enforced by a cannonade.  The herding of cats that would characterize a pan-European political union is best done as it's been attempted, by diplomacy and degrees.  I believe one mistake has been the focus on the traditional geographical demarcations.  Any state that submits a favorable prospectus should be able to join, though ease of trade would probably keep the location of member states more or less on the European continent.

back2basicz
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Re: Europe and the Euro
back2basicz   7/29/2011 9:15:17 AM
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Heinrich,

It was Milton Friedman who said it and said it best-A Monetary Union is not possible without a Political Union.

So if we do get a Political Union(where the MEPs have real power);then for sure the Euro experiment can be expected to succeed.

On the other hand if the wider populace chooses to revolt(like what looks increasingly likely in Greece,Ireland .Portugal and now in Germany);then its curtains for the Euro.

I for one would rather bet against the Euro than for it[Really encouraged by the fact that China is betting for it-The same China which invested in Lehman bonds and Citi bonds before they were completely worthless]

Regards

Ashish.

Ann Logue
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Re: Yeah, but
Ann Logue   7/28/2011 11:51:33 AM
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It's interesting, because globally, fuel is priced in dollars. So we're paying extra because the dollar is so weak.

But, yeah, given what may well happen with the debt ceiling, I may only be able to handle dollar-denominated trips. Good thing Cedar Point is so fun, and it has lots of discounts!

Greece may have beaches, but does it have roller coasters? No.

icebreaker1975
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Yeah, but
icebreaker1975   7/28/2011 11:47:21 AM
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looiking at the US economy and the current trend that we arein, even if you are a "cheapskate" traveler, you probably won't have the money to go...have you seen the price of airline tickets, plus baggage!!  Wow...but I was surprised to see that Europe's total economy eclipsed ours...not by much though.

Ann Logue
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Re: Europe and the Euro
Ann Logue   7/27/2011 7:44:36 PM
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Well, if they survive this, we'll see more unified currencies. This is still an experiment, playing out on a global stage.

I liked it better when the euro was launched and was worth about a dollar. That year, everyone in my family received Scottish sweaters for Christmas - they were so cheap, even with the shipping! That didn't last long, between Europe's success and the US's decline.

Heinrich Coup-de-Suite
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Re: Europe and the Euro
Heinrich Coup-de-Suite   7/27/2011 7:14:28 PM
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It's not hard to understand the Europeans wanting to unite around a common currency.  When the financial capital of the world moved from London to New York after World War I, regional pride, among other motivators, started the notion of unification going on the continent.  What better example to model ones economy after than the United States at that time?

The powerful operations of wishful thinking in this venture caused the framers of the Euro-based economy to ignore key aspects of the United States economy.  The industrial role of various regions in the United States grew over time interdependently.  The resulting framework is something Europe cannot hope to map to, in a rapid transition, without marked convulsion such as we've seen in the past year. 

If they stick it out it may very well be worth the experiment.  Then again there may be other factors that make the climate very inhospitable for it.

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