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A Guide to Value: What's in the IU25 Index

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back2basicz
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Are there no Value Investors left anymore???
back2basicz   4/28/2011 3:01:40 PM
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Scott,

Why is it that hardly any lists talk about Dividend Yields or Dividend Growth rates today???

I had written about this here as well.

http://www.investoruprising.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=238189&piddl_msgid=374377#msg_374377

We have just been through a Decade where the Stock market has gone nowhere.Still everyone is chasing Capital Gains instead of looking at something as basic ,patient and realistic as Dividends(and especially Compounded Investing).

Regards

Ashish.

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Tell me more
Scott Raynovich   4/25/2011 6:49:00 PM
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Greetings readers,

To answer two of the questions:

1) yes, we'll be profiling companies regularly. Check this space often.

2) Index balance -- we try to add companies from different industries and from those that appear to be doing well, but it's more important to me that the companies be growing and have good growth numbers. I think the fact that technology is a large majority of the index is a product of the fact that innovation is what's driving success of many companies these days.

 

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Tell me more
Tenacious   4/24/2011 3:41:55 PM
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I'd love to know more about the companies on the list. Looking forward to seeing brief summaries of each. Could you put something like that on the site so we can get some quick insight about who and what these firms are?

mInvestor
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Re :A Guide to Value: What's in the IU25 Index
mInvestor   4/23/2011 7:41:10 PM
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Hi Scott,

Thank you for sharing this index with us. It's quite interesing, and it will give me another angle to look at the market.

A question here, do you keep some kind of diversity balance when you compiled this index? By looking into each company in your index, I noticed you have a diversity balance like this:

Technology    48% (12 companies)

Basic matericls   32% (8)

Health       12% (3)

Cosumer goods  4% (1)

Services           4% (1)

I doubt you are using this index to map any market, or I missed the point?

Still, it's a a good index.

yalanand
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Re :A Guide to Value: What's in the IU25 Index
yalanand   4/22/2011 11:31:13 PM
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Loved your insights, I will try match my picks with yours. a somemore details on how you deleberate on secotors and equities in specific while picking would be interesting to read.

mInvestor
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Re: A Guide to Value: What's in the IU25 Index
mInvestor   4/22/2011 6:55:13 PM
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Value Hiker,

Good point. This DEER does look suspicious. Wondering how many those hot Chinese stocks are actually telling us truth. We need more research to make sure everything is by their book. Well, I guess that's why Warren Buffett is so interested to learn a compnay's management team before he decides a buy.

 

 

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Re: A Guide to Value: What's in the IU25 Index
Value Hiker   4/21/2011 2:54:43 PM
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Scott:

I agree with your comment. We recently ran into a Chinese company called Deer Consumer Products (DEER). Just crunching the numbers alone, it is a screaming buy. However after checking the management team, we uncovered lots of problems. We finally decided it would be safe to ignore the company.

Numbers can be helpful, but never be the main reason for a purchase decision. Investing is about business, business is about people. It is especially true for investing in growth companies.

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Re: Good list
Value Hiker   4/21/2011 2:48:03 PM
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Scott:

It is a great idea to have some central places to discuss individual stocks. It will be attractive to people like me who run a highly concentrated portfolio. Detailed discussion about an individual company will greatly enhance the ability of investors to find fraud, accounting gimmicks, operating issues on an interested company.

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Re: A Guide to Value: What's in the IU25 Index
Scott Raynovich   4/21/2011 2:27:52 PM
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Value Hiker: Thanks. Yes, I think it's important to add the human filter at the last level. 

A great example is many of the Chinese stocks, especially something like CHBT. Many of these are being identified by many computerized stock-screening tools but you have to ask yoursleves are the numbers real? They are almost too good to be true on many of these China plays and several have turned out to be alleged frauds. CHBT in fact was recently hit by a few analysts/publications that dug into their numbers, alleging cooked books. The stock has not been trading well, indicating nervousness about this. Another example of this is China Green Agriculture which looks great on paper (P/E of 4) but there are also charges of bad accounting and the stock has traded terribly, going nowhere but down in the last six months.

This is why after I look at the straight numbers I like to take a deeper look at individual companies and throw out companies I'm not comfortable with.

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Re: Good list
TelecomFreq   4/21/2011 2:25:26 PM
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Nice! It will be interesting to be able to follow the news for the index on the site while see how it is performing against the other stocks on the index, sort of one stop shopping.

 

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