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MF Global Customers Will Get Some Cash, but System Remains Shaken

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Noreen Seebacher
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consolation
Noreen Seebacher   11/19/2011 9:40:48 AM
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Too little too late seems right, Scott...

Scott Raynovich
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Re: consolation
Scott Raynovich   11/19/2011 10:51:05 AM
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They have locked up a large portion of the CME futures volume by some measures, hundreds of millions of dollars in professional money, and caused a major crisis in the futures/options market at exactly the wrong time... serious credibility issues w/ the system at this point.

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Judgment Day is Fast Approaching
Street Smart   11/19/2011 12:37:38 PM
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When the crisis first broke, I said that I was reserving judgment because I had such great respect for Corzine during my Goldman Sachs years.  And to be honest, I thought the trades would settle and the money would turn up.

The more dire scenarios are looking more likely now.  @Scott, I'm so sorry for you personally, and for the many others who are in limbo while the regulators search through what, by all accounts, appear to be sloppy and terrible records.

It's one thing to take investment risks; it's quite another to find out that the man behind the curtain couldn't even be bothered to keep decent books, much less ethical standards.

The only wizards here are the forensic accountants getting by on caffeine and two hours' sleep per night!

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Re: consolation
Phoenix   11/19/2011 12:37:40 PM
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Yes I agree. This is not what we needed at a time when the global financial system is in turmoil. Instead of building investor confidence which would have helped in economic recovery this has created more chaos. It could be argued that MF global's mistakes were made because of the global crisis but I feel it was the lack of integrity. The system has to change and more transparency and accountabIlity should be there. Do you this incident would change the way Wallstreet now operates?

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Re: Judgment Day is Fast Approaching
PredictableChaos   11/20/2011 1:06:58 AM
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When you suddenly learn that the game has risk that you never considered, it's probably a good time to take some bets off the table.

The Barnhardt Capital decision to stop placing futures and options trades, means that at least a few consider the new risks intolerably large.  Ann Barnhardt offers some further explanation that connects this to the European debt topic that has been well covered at IU -

There is massive industry-wide exposure to European sovereign junk debt. ... I now suspect that the reason the Chicago Mercantile Exchange did not immediately step in to backstop the MFG implosion was because they knew and know that if they backstopped MFG, they would then be expected to backstop all of the other firms in the system when the failures began to cascade – and there simply isn’t that much money in the entire system. In short, the problem is a SYSTEMIC problem, not merely isolated to one firm.

Emphasis in the original.

Wow.

PC

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Re: Judgment Day is Fast Approaching
Street Smart   11/20/2011 12:39:33 PM
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@PredictableChaos, thank you for Ann Barnhardt/Barnhardt Capital's POV on the logic behind not stepping in the save MF Global.  Sure has the ring of truth to me!

It is also absolutely, positively TERRIFYING for me to contemplate.  Of all the apocalyptic visions we have conjured over the centuries--wars, plagues, famines, meteor showers--the vaporization of the world financial system somehow seems the scariest.  We won't know what hit us!

WHAT will it take to regulate these markets? 

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Re: Judgment Day is Fast Approaching
Jacob   11/20/2011 10:50:25 PM
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“The payout will initially go to customers who held accounts in 100% cash or treasuries on October 31”

Finally the investors can cheer up a little due to the favorable court verdict.

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Re: Judgment Day is Fast Approaching
tokyogai   11/21/2011 9:17:05 AM
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I wonderif insurance will make up the difference if the cash can not be found?

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Re: Judgment Day is Fast Approaching
Phoenix   11/21/2011 10:32:02 AM
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The whole system might collapse and I can't even imagine the chaos it will cause. If this is true ( and you are right when you say it has a ring of truth to it) I don't know how the markets will recover. As it is I don't think we can trust the regulatory authorities or even the backup mechanisms to be of much help.

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Re: Judgment Day is Fast Approaching
Street Smart   11/21/2011 10:43:49 AM
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It feels like a very scary time, @Phoenix.  In fact, I almost had the feeling as the deficit committee talks crumbled and the orthodoxy is that it won't even affect the markets that it's because everyone has their eyes on an even BIGGER trainwreck.

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