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Update: Portfolio Strategy for 2012

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mInvestor
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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
mInvestor   1/29/2012 7:07:17 PM
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@Ashishi,

That's a good point.

I think we will see deflation and deleveraging happened in the next 2 to 5 years. No matter what we do, somebody need to pay the debt. The central banks could print more and more money, but it only prolongs the deleveraging process.

Does that mean I shall avoid Gold and silver? I guess not. it's impossible to predict the future. So I am really eager to see what come next.

 

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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
Scott Raynovich   1/29/2012 2:53:50 PM
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Even though there was a "deflationary collapse" in 2008, however brief, it was met with policy response from central banks. The pattern of gold & silver was that they were sold off with the rest of the assets during the market panic but then they bounced back faster and more robustly than other assets. Gold & Silver have both reached new historical highs since 2008 whereas stocks have not.

I believe this is the pattern that has held for the last 8 year or so and is likely to continue. The reason is that the market sees that the policy response to every chapter of the crisis (we are in one continuing debt crisis) is to print money -- which pushes up the precious metals. The major stock indcies when priced in gold is still well below its all-time high.

See this chart which shows you how gold has outperformed equities by a vast amount when equities are corrected for inflation and currency debasement. Below is a chart showing the relationship between the S&P 500 and gold.

http://stock-chartist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/blog-SP-Gold-Ratio.jpg

 

 

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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
back2basicz   1/29/2012 10:50:31 AM
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mln,

It depends entirely on your point of view of whether we are we are going to get a Deflationary Collapse (and no reaction from Global Central Banks at all) or a Inflationary Death spiral caused by Excessive Money-printing.

If you are in Camp 1,then Gold and Silver will go down as well as other risky assets;then holding only the US Dollar,US Treasuries and only Super-safe Global companies which pay reliable and growing Dividends year after year after (like McDonalds,Walmart,J&J,etc) makes any sense.

On the other hand ,if you believe that the Central Banks will print like there's no tommorow(which is what the charts as well recent actions by Fed,ECB,BoE,SNB and BoJ suggest) then you want to hold plenty of Gold and Silver.

The thing is until we get  a revolution,I dont see Central Bankers changing their way,which is why I prefer to Hold Plenty of Gold and Silver(especially in Physical form).


Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
mInvestor   1/29/2012 9:54:49 AM
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@Ashishi,

That's an interesting chart, need more time to digest the info.

I was thinking of gold and silver as well. But do we have other better indicator to show they will be up (thank the help from FED)?

I am worrying even gold and silver may go down (not up) since the whole economy in the wrold is going down.

back2basicz
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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
back2basicz   1/26/2012 2:09:30 PM
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Scott,

Yeah I know what you mean...

Printing the more the better it seems(according to what our good friends in the Central Banking community seem to suggest).

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
Scott Raynovich   1/26/2012 11:51:46 AM
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Buying gold & silver has worked.

Shorting the Yen or Japanese bonds certainly hasn't.

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
Scott Raynovich   1/26/2012 11:50:33 AM
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That's one scary chart! Who would have thought we were in last place? I guess there's more printing to do...

back2basicz
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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
back2basicz   1/26/2012 11:36:48 AM
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Scott,

Yes I am familiar with Kyle Bass's work.

He has been saying the right things over and over and over again.

Trouble is ,its not possible to make much money with his ideas...

Regards

Ashish.

back2basicz
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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
back2basicz   1/26/2012 11:34:32 AM
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Scott,

If I have learnt anything(absolutely anything) from Central Bank actions over the last week or so;its this-Everybody is going to print and print  and print in the hope that this pushes their respective currencies(whose value the Clowns with PHDs are supposed to protect) as low as possible.

This beggar thy neighbour policy has only one eventual winner-Gold.

What these clowns don't realise is that this policy will end up destroying the savings of anyone holding their savings in these currencies[US,Japan,Europe,the UK,Switzerland,they are all printing with no limits].

Here's a great chart of various central Bank actions since 2002 from SaxoBank.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IuM0f34Li7Q/TyEgq9FMlmI/AAAAAAAAOAE/jwxdyIL0R_o/s1600/Central%2BBank%2BBalance%2BSheets%2Bas%2B%2525of%2BGDP.png

I don't think the Financial World is going nowhere as you put it-My feeling is we are very close to the precipice-A Major Debt blowup followed by Hyperinflationary meltdown ;will Japan be the first place to experience it? Not sure.

Could be Greece as well.

Regards

Ashish.

P.S For an alternative view,do read the Message Board I started here on how Iran's decision to use the the Yen(as an Alternative to the USD and Euro) could be the start of something more dramatic.

http://www.investoruprising.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=245232&piddl_msgid=546223#msg_546223

As they say there is never a dull moment in the Currency Markets.Never a dull moment....

 

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Good Strategy to start the year.
Scott Raynovich   1/26/2012 10:56:41 AM
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Thanks Ashish. Yes I follow the Japanese situation closely it is fasciating to me and it's funny how nobody else worries that it could also be our future -- a financial world ruled by Central Bank and curency manipulation that goes nowhere.

The carry trade appears to be the perpetual trade -- especially with the Fed's actions yesterday.

I will follow that link it sounds interesting. Do you follow the work of Kyle Bass? He expects Japan to eventually collapse but of course we've been waiting for that for years and years.

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