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If You're Big in Apple, Watch Your Weight

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Tenacious
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Tenacious   4/25/2012 2:46:44 PM
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Scott,

Can you explain more about the S&P 500? I was under the assumption that no stock could make up more than 5% of the S&P500 index,

 

Scott Raynovich
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Re: S&P 500
Scott Raynovich   4/25/2012 2:57:11 PM
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Sure. Apple was at 4.2% of the S&P 500 yesterday. Financial Times had a great summary of it. You are correct that they are likely to rebalance soon, but so far this year Apple has had an outsized influence on the index and no rebalancing has been announced.

From the FT article:

"It  accounts for 4.2 per cent of the S&P 500 and more than a fifth of the S&P's tech sector. Its plans to pay a dividend have made it a widely held stock. Without Apple, the S&P 500's gain of 9.1 per cent so far this year would be around a more modest 8 per cent.

Not since 1999, when Microsoft contributed 14 per cent of a 10 per cent rally in the S&P 500, has a group exerted such influence over the market. Apple's weighting in the S&P has rarely been achieved, let alone held, for long. ExxonMobil was the last group to have such sway, in April 2008."

Full article here:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9e768a20-79b6-11e1-9900-00144feab49a.html#axzz1t4zkX7mG

Both the S&P and Nasdaq will have to continually monitor Apple's growth and potentially rebalance. What I'm saying is you are an individual investor you have a chance to get out in front of this!

 

Scott Raynovich
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Nasdaq Reblancing
Scott Raynovich   4/25/2012 3:01:02 PM
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FYI, Nasdaq announced earlier this month that Apple will be rebalanced in May, going from 20% to 12%

http://www.indexuniverse.com/sections/news/9057-nasdaq-100-to-rebalance-slicing-apple.html

S&P 500 has not announced a rebalancing of AAPL this year. But maybe that is coming soon?

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Re: Nasdaq Reblancing
Value Hiker   4/25/2012 3:31:04 PM
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It seems investors need to report a lot of capital gain from their QQQQ holding next tax season. But it is better than losing money

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Nasdaq Reblancing
Scott Raynovich   4/25/2012 4:47:00 PM
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Yeah I love it when people complain about capital gains ... like you said it's better than losing money. I know a lot of people who refused to sell tech stocks in 2000 "because of the capital gains." A few years later, they were looking at losses, they no longer had gains to book.

I never have a problem paying capital gains taxes cause it means I made money rather than lost it.

mInvestor
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Re: Nasdaq Reblancing
mInvestor   4/26/2012 6:34:45 PM
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@Scott,

That's so true. I'll never have a problem to pay capital gain taxes, and happilly to do so.

 

icebreaker1975
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Now the questions arises...
icebreaker1975   4/25/2012 4:30:12 PM
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what "can't" Apple do?  It seems as though the have a magic wand over there to conjure the latest and greatest products.  Their continued success is truly amazing

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Re: Now the questions arises...
Phoenix   4/25/2012 6:43:29 PM
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@icebreaker 1975 I am not very sure whether Apple can continue this unbelievable run in the long term. They are still riding on their products introduced with Steve Jobs's influence. By next year we will get to see what the new management had been able to do. Customer loyalty might seem like it is sustainable but you can never guarantee it. If a shiny new toy comes along replacing the iPhone and iPad just like Apple did to its competitors they might just run out of luck.

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Re: Now the questions arises...
Value Hiker   4/25/2012 8:05:06 PM
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If you pay attention to the latest development, actually it is easy to see cracks on Apple's foundation:

1. Both AT&T and Verizon started to push away iPhone as their premium phone due to the hefty price Apple charges against them. Two years ago, these carriers are begging for what ever Apple will throw at them. Now the situation changes. I won't surprised to see margin compression during next quarter

2. Even iPhone/iPad show strong momentum last quarter, their sale are slowing down recently in US. This quarter is saved by the sale in Chinese new Year . The momentum of China market is usually 6-12 month dragging behind US for mobile device.

3. We haven't seen any innovative product from Apple for two years. If there is nothing big in Apple's product pipeline for another year, something will happen. 

I don't believe Apple can prosper for an extended period of time without delivering new revolutionary product. Let's wait and see.

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Re: Now the questions arises...
tokyogai   4/26/2012 9:36:41 AM
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While I agree with many of your thoughts, I think the push away by AT&T and Verizon may well backfire on them. Verizon said 50% of the new lines it sold were for Iphone- therefore we will embrace the Windows phone for higher margins. In this business I thionk you need to listen to your customers. Trying to push them into something they don't want will never suceed. The LTE iPhone should give Apple plenty more running room in the US before they hit the wall.

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Re: Now the questions arises...
Noreen Seebacher   4/26/2012 10:34:17 AM
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It's only logical that Verizon Wireless iPhone sales will be lower this year. Verizon started selling iPhones in Feb. 2011. So there was an initial surge of sales from 1) new customers and 2) existing customers who were either eligible for an upgrade or so eager to get an iPhone that they paid the higher price for the phone.

There was a lot of pent up demand for iPhones among Verizon Wireless customers. Now a large chunk of that demand is satisfied, and the 4S is not earth shattering enough to make someone who bought a phone in February buy a new one before he is eligible for an upgrade.

A lot of Verizon customers will keep the iPhones they have until the contract expires. And since most customers have two-year plans, I suspect iPhone sales at Verizon will only rebound significantly starting in the 1st quarter next year.

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Re: Now the questions arises...
Value Hiker   4/26/2012 7:13:36 PM
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In this business I thionk you need to listen to your customers. 

@Tokyogai, is it Steve Jobs' motto: Consumers doesn't know what they want, you need to teach them what they want...

As an investor, the future trend is more useful than current trend. I do see many technical nerds start to drop the iPhone and switch to Android, for various reasons. That is the reason why Samsung alone sold more smartphones than Apple. 

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Re: Now the questions arises...
mInvestor   4/26/2012 6:37:54 PM
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@Value Hiker,

You might be right. But how soon do you think we will see tiny cracks become too big to become real problems? What will be the tipping point?

 

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Re: Now the questions arises...
Value Hiker   4/26/2012 7:05:22 PM
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@minvestor, to be honest, I can not pinpoint when it will happen. But if there is nothing big from Apple for another year, I am positive it will happen. Many investor jumped into Apple stock after quarterly report, it reminds me what happened to RIMM in 2010. People saw the storm was coming after iPhone & Driod, but RIMM's momentum continued longer than most people can foretell.

But I would rather be wrong about Apple, and hope it does bring something big to the consumers in the next 12 months. 

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Re: Now the questions arises...
Scott Raynovich   4/26/2012 7:51:54 PM
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@Value Hiker

I just don't see what leverage the carriers have against Apple. The consumers really want the product. As Tim Cook said, they get paid back on the subsidy in 24 months. What's their negotiating position?

"Fine we won't carry the iPhone!"

Good luck with that. If that's their position, they are saying they are willing to reject the most popular consumer product on earth to attempt to re-negotiate the subsidy. I have a hard time seeing that happen. It would be like a car dealer saying, "Well, theses cars, I dunno if we make money on them. Let's stop selling them. We'll just sell trucks."

 

 

mInvestor
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Re: Now the questions arises...
mInvestor   4/26/2012 7:57:25 PM
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Scott,

Agree, they can't affort not carrying iPhones.

The alternative I think those carriers can and willing to try is reduce subsidy. Meaning the consumers will have to pay a little bit more for the phone.

Even that, I don't think every carrier will apply the same policy.

 

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Re: Now the questions arises...
Value Hiker   4/26/2012 10:31:37 PM
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@Scott,

First of all, it is arguable that iPhone is better than top notch Android phones, thus I don't see iPhone is a must have unless you are die hard Apple fun. Time changes, it is not 2009.  That is the reason AT&T and Verizon dare to challenge Apple.

Secondly, Verizon has successfully promoted Android platform to nowhere to be the no.1 platform in less than 3 years. I doubt Verizon's new move to promote Windows phone, but I would not totally discredit Verizon at this early stage.

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No Shortage of Earnings...OR Customers
Street Smart   4/26/2012 12:50:15 PM
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I had a meeting in Greenwich, CT the other day and got there a little early to run an errand first on Greenwich Avenue, the main shopping street.  Still killing time, I went into the Apple store for a quick minute.

I kid you not, it was 11:30 am on a weekday and there were 100 people in that store!  Two things jumped out at me: First, the roving salespeople were busy, busy, busy.  Some of them had "lines" two or three deep of people seemingly BEGGING to buy phones and iPads.  The second thing was that the "consultant" tables in the back were incredibly busy.  It looked like a college library in there, with computers, customers, and their young "genius" helpers tutoring them.

I overheard one woman trying to learn how to create and organize files for her knitting patterns.  Now, WHO in 2012 doesn't know how to create a file?  But that helper was working with her as respectfully as if they were putting their heads together to create the next killer app.

It struck me that what Apple sells SO brilliantly is the feeling that YOU are the master of technology, rather than IT mastering you.  That will NEVER go out of style!

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Re: No Shortage of Earnings...OR Customers
Noreen Seebacher   4/26/2012 1:25:22 PM
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It's the same at Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan, @Street Smart. Ten years ago, people waiting on a train crowded into a bar. Now they crowd around the genius bar.

I kinda miss the old days...

Street Smart
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Re: No Shortage of Earnings...OR Customers
Street Smart   4/26/2012 3:38:23 PM
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I agree @Noreen!  We've definitely lost the one-to-one interaction, the feeling of being together as opposed to alone together.

I love social media, but it's because of the social part, not the media.



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