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TelecomFreq
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Limits on Gold good for the price
TelecomFreq   9/23/2011 10:21:23 AM
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If countries are going to start limiting gold sales then that will definatly shoot the price up. I am starting to think that the high estimates that have been floating out there might be too low. wow, what a ride gold is turning out to be.

Phoenix
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Phoenix   9/23/2011 11:28:44 AM
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It sure is. If they continue to put limitations it will only make people want to buy more. Even rumour of limitations would provoke people. His thoughts about how it would be better to store gold as  jewellery and coins is already done in middle Eastern and Asian markets. I suppose he is right at least gold in the form of jewellery can be used in daily life in addition to its monetary value. Having some bars stored somewhere wouldn't give you the same satisfaction.

TelecomFreq
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
TelecomFreq   9/23/2011 11:43:25 AM
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My only dig with the whole idea of buying gold in jewlery form is that there is a labor and design cost built into that, so you are not really getting the most return on your money, if you can even call it an investment.

my other dig with that idea is, he is talking about a doomsday type situation. I think he may have watched a few too many Mad Max movies.

Phoenix
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Gold
Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Phoenix   9/23/2011 12:38:16 PM
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I agree with you that storing gold as jewellery might not work that well with Western cultures and the jewellery there is mostly 18 carat whereas in eastern cultures it is 22carat. Anything lower is considered poor quality. The value of craftsmanship and the precious stones used would also have to be considered. But I know that it had always served as an insurance to many in those countries at times if hardship. It is very common to pawn jewellery and it's always been easy to sell. I don't think gold bars can be sold that easily there.

Value Hiker
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Value Hiker   9/23/2011 12:56:14 PM
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According to some research, the markup of jewelry, even in discount store like Target, is around 300%-1000%. When you bought a jewelry around $10,000. The material is only about $1k-3k.

An interesting observation: a sterling silver shareholder certificate from Berkshire annual meeting cost $99, while an 1/5 weight sterling silver necklace from tiffany cost you the same.

If Berkshire (or Borsheim) does not lose money from the sale. Then the mark up of Tiffany Silver is more than 400%.

Buying jewelry is not an investing, especially for the lowend one. This claim doesn't apply to jewelry over $1M.

Street Smart
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Street Smart   9/23/2011 2:29:57 PM
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FYI, 22 kt. gold is much too malleable to be worn as jewelry, as I found out the hard (or rather SOFT) way many years ago.  I received several rings, a necklace and two bracelets as gifts from a friend who was working in Latin America where beautifully crafted gold jewelry was sold by the ounce.  Unfortunately, lovely though the pieces were, absolutely none of them could be worn more than once without completely losing their shape.  It was as if they were melting off of me.

I had the pieces melted down for real the last time gold was at a high water mark.

TelecomFreq
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
TelecomFreq   9/23/2011 4:31:17 PM
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I have seen gold being sold in small chunks and what seemed to be home made coins at markets in Thailand, That gold did seem to be "soft" I had thought of buying some, but there was really no way to know what the true value might be. who knows what it was mixed with.

PredictableChaos
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
PredictableChaos   9/23/2011 7:24:19 PM
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@TelecomFreq

Not buying 'gold' coins from a street market in Thailand was a smart decision.  If you don't know the metal well, you better know your dealer.

TelecomFreq
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Platinum
Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
TelecomFreq   9/24/2011 12:31:46 AM
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I agree 100%, you can not just go buying something when you see it. and buying gold in a street market is just a bad idea in general.

not to mention the issue, if it was gold, of having to carry it around and transport it with me.

Jacob
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Jacob   9/26/2011 7:46:49 AM
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Noreen, for the last two days, gold pricing is dipping. There is a rumor in market that China and US are planning to sell off some Gold from their treasure. Since the rumor is strong and populated very much,  I think the gold price may further dips in coming days.

Tenacious
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Tenacious   9/26/2011 9:01:31 AM
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Jacob, Sure gold will dip. There have been peaks and valleys all year. But look at the trendline. It still seems aligned up. Unless they make a drug to give politicians worldwide common sense, things will stay messy and debt-ridden and gold will (over time) remain a safe haven.

(If they invent that magic drug, dump gold and invest in the pharma company that invented it.)

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Scott Raynovich   9/26/2011 9:02:20 AM
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Jacob,

I don't see any reason why China would be selling gold. They want to hedge their ballooning U.S. dollar reserves with gold, and their own currency is pegged to the dollar. Therefore, they own gold as a currency hedge.

Of course with a nasty selloff like this there are going to be tons of rumors. The bottom line is that some "whale" is selling.

Without knowing exactly who is driving the selling I would point out that these would be the likely people to be selling:

* A major hedge fund that is in trouble which rode gold on the way up is now selling to meet margin calls across the board

* European Central Banks in peripheral EU countries under debt pressure selling gold to meet financial obligations.

* The U.S., in order to provide more liquidity in the banks.

If you look at the world in these terms and ask  yourself what China would do, I would have to say there is one answer: China would want to buy gold. It would be more than willing to take the gold off the hands of these weakened entitites.

Dex
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Iron
Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
Dex   9/26/2011 10:36:09 AM
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Gold is still 7 percent above its level at the start of July, and is up 14 percent this year. That's better than most investments.

cat tail
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Re: Limits on Gold good for the price
cat tail   9/26/2011 10:42:12 AM
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Yes, and it's natural to see some declines. Gold has become a source of liquidity for global margin calls, and it's feeling the inpact of deflationary pressures.

impactnow
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Hold the gold
impactnow   9/26/2011 8:47:10 AM
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Gold is for the long haul the current US situation and the European situation are dire and won’t change in the long term. It is the investment for long term growth until we see political actions that truly change the factors influencing unemployment, real estate devaluation and the debt bomb.

AskAsa
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Gold
AskAsa   9/26/2011 4:37:12 PM
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Coins and even bars make much more sense than jewelry. There are just too many variables when buying rings and necklaces from even the best jewelers.

At least a third of the price of jewely is sentimental.

Drivewaygirl
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Re: Gold
Drivewaygirl   9/26/2011 8:24:29 PM
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I think what he's saying is that when and if doomsday occurs you don't want to lose a full bar of gold in exchange for a bushel of apples. Smaller pieces are easier to trade.

Dex
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Iron
Re: Gold
Dex   9/26/2011 8:34:24 PM
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Yep, we'll need bags of coins and closets of sawn off shotguns. Right @Bargin Bin?

Street Smart
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Re: Gold
Street Smart   9/27/2011 10:39:19 PM
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WWMMD?  What Would Mad Max Do?  I think Dex has a point about how useful being armed to the teeth could turn out to be.

And access to gasoline will be very precious, too.   



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