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Bill Clinton on Retail: A Long, Slow Recovery

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impactnow
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saving vs employment
impactnow   1/23/2012 1:56:47 PM
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Also interesting to look at the fact that saving increased prior to unemployment rising—was it simply a fear of the inevitable for many that drove the savings to that level.

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Re: recovery with increased debt?
Scott Raynovich   1/20/2012 10:33:00 AM
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I think it's telling the displosable income is still not back to 2007 levels. Until that climbs, there's won't be a strong recovery.

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Noreen Seebacher   1/20/2012 9:25:04 AM
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Maybe @Tenacious. Here's another chart, showing year-over-year changes in savings, disposable personal income and the unemployment rate. You can see when unemployment climbed, DPI fell--but the personal saving rate (as a percentage of DPI) actually went up (showing people were worried and saving in spite of lack of income.)



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Re: recovery with increased debt?
Tenacious   1/20/2012 9:11:20 AM
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But wait a minute, As I understand it, the Personal savings rate is a percentage of disposable personal income (DPI),  calculated as the ratio of personal saving to DPI.

Did the savings rate spike in 2008 simply because people were saving the same amount as they had the year before -- but their income was lower because they lost their jobs, for instance? Maybe it took a few months to stop automatic transfers into savings, etc.

 

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cat tail   1/20/2012 8:54:38 AM
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It's understandable that we started to save as much as possible when the economy started crashing. But it's interesting to see the decline. Are we really feeling good enough to spend again? Doubt it. My guess: We reached the point where we just HAVE to spend on certain things we put off buying for several years (tires for the car, computers for the kids, etc)

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Noreen Seebacher   1/20/2012 8:38:38 AM
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Here's the savings data from the Fed @minvestor:



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mInvestor   1/19/2012 11:18:24 PM
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@Scott, saving rate dropped from 8% to 3%? Is this data reliable. I'd think this is a big change for average consumers. Well, maybe more people that I think believe the world will end in 2012.

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Re: Online versus brick and mortar stores
philtheinvestor   1/19/2012 8:58:24 PM
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Creative. Did it allow feedback on those lines? That might be a good gauge of what might be hot or not.

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Scott Raynovich   1/19/2012 2:47:30 PM
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I think that's right, Noreen. The savings rate jumped to around 8% in 2008 but now is back down near 3% which means people have gone back to spending at the expense of saving. Wages haven't increased much so it's all jello moving around the plate.

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Noreen Seebacher   1/19/2012 2:21:06 PM
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I think it's an illusion. The Fed released stats on consumer credit this month that showed consumer credit  increased at an annual rate of 10 percent in November. What do you want to bet it increased more in December? I highly doubt most people have more discretionary income -- they're just using their charge cards, depleting their savings and basicially saying the heck with tomorrow. Or rather, perhaps following the govermment example of spend now, worry later.

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