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Butter, Balls, & Other Market Indicators

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Dex
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January barometer
Dex   2/8/2012 8:48:23 AM
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I can dismiss most of these indicators as examples of data mining. But the January barometer has real substance. Thanks for giving us more insight about its origin.

tokyogai
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January Indicator
tokyogai   2/8/2012 9:06:55 AM
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The January indicator is one of the few that actually has some logic behind it. It is either that or the result I get from 10 throws of the dice...

cat tail
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Got my attention
cat tail   2/8/2012 9:25:08 AM
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Butter and balls? Yep, You caught my attention! Nice read.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: January Indicator
Noreen Seebacher   2/8/2012 9:50:46 AM
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The January Indicator is very interesting, with historical support dating all the way back to 1938. The difference here is that it reflects actual political/economic events that can and do affect the market, as opposed to the other indicators, which are really for entertainment only.

Drivewaygirl
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Butter production
Drivewaygirl   2/8/2012 9:59:06 AM
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Was the butter production indicator real or was that just a spoof?

ProfR
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Quants
ProfR   2/8/2012 10:04:47 AM
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I think the problem here is that Wall Street has hired a lot of quantitative people who want to model the market so they can predict the future. Would be good if this worked but generally the adage "past performance is no guarantee of future performance" is true. 

So how is butter production in Bangladesh doing this year?

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Butter production
Noreen Seebacher   2/8/2012 10:07:50 AM
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A joke @Drivewaygirl. David J . Leinweber, Principal at Leinweber & Co. in Pasadena, CA, and scientific advisor to Monitor110 in New York, NY, wrote an article called Stupid Data Miner Tricks, which he said originated  as a set of joke slides showing silly spurious correlations.

These statistically appealing relationships between the stock market and diary products and third world livestock populations have been cited often, in Business Week, the Wall Street Journal, the book "A Mathematician Looks at the Stock Market," and elsewhere.

The author noted a few years ago: "Without taking a hatchet to the original, the advice offered remains valuable, perhaps even more so now that there is so much more data to mine. Monthly data arrives as a single data point, once a month. It's hard to avoid data mining sins if you look twice. Ticks, quotes, and executions arrive in millions per minute, and many of the practices which fail the statistical sniff tests for low frequency data can now be used responsibly. Nevertheless, fooling yourself remains an occupational hazard in quantitative trading."

Tenacious
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Re: January Indicator
Tenacious   2/8/2012 10:26:14 AM
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Historically, I think the January Barometer has merit. What concerns me is the glut of extraneous influences weighing on the market right now -- Europe, China, inane politics, etc. How can we expect the market to behave as history has shown it is likely to behave in the face of all this external pressure?

driven
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Re: January Indicator
driven   2/8/2012 10:29:40 AM
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I think you've touched on something very important @Tenacious. The agita over everything from leadership (or lack thereof) to monetary policy could skew even the most reliable indicators this year.

TelecomFreq
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Raw Data
TelecomFreq   2/8/2012 10:53:06 AM
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There are so many tricks that can be pulled when playing with raw data that if someone wanted to and they had enough data they could make anything look like it has an impact on the market.

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