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Passenger Pain vs. Profit at Spirit Airlines

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TelecomFreq
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um... wow
TelecomFreq   5/15/2012 10:15:57 AM
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I am all for saving a few bucks, but this just sounds a little over the top. However, thier stock seems to reflect that this model is working....

I would still pay more to feel comfortable while flying.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: um... wow
Noreen Seebacher   5/15/2012 10:23:05 AM
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I wonder if the stock is benefitting from "fool me once" momentum. Inexperienced flyers -- Spirit's market -- think they are getting a good deal, take a flight and rue every minute, Next time, they spend an extra $25 to fly a real airline. So for a time, you get a lot of one time passengers shelling out fees, pumping out profit. But how many become repeat flyers to sustain the business model?

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Re: um... wow
TelecomFreq   5/15/2012 10:35:46 AM
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Very true, I can not see many people willing to shell out the cash to travel under those conditions, or to be treated poorly.

Imagine what it would be like trying to travel on Spirit if you had some young kids with you... im sure that would not be fun!

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Noreen Seebacher   5/15/2012 11:08:03 AM
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That's why I will never fly Spirit again. My incident occurred when I was traveling with my whole family, plus two friends -- a party of nine. With that many people, most of them teens -- it was just horrendous.

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Re: um... wow
TelecomFreq   5/15/2012 11:10:33 AM
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My wife and I have traveled on other airlines with our young son and many times it has been the helpful staff that make the flight much more managable.

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Re: um... wow
Phoenix   5/15/2012 12:06:11 PM
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A good level of service is a must. I have never flown Spirit so I don't know how their service is like. There is also the worry of safety, if it seems like they are cutting costs with everything I wonder how well they maintain the airlines. If they have budget cuts on maintenance it could compromise the safety of the plane.

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Re: um... wow
philtheinvestor   5/15/2012 10:39:03 AM
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"Next time, they spend an extra $25 to fly a real airline"

HA. That's a good one. I guess it's one of those roller-coaster-like experiences where you don't realize you made a bad choice until it's too late. I guess as long as you make it to your destination safely, you can make a good-enough travel decision the next time.

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Re: um... wow
Scott Raynovich   5/15/2012 10:49:09 AM
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I have never flown Spirit  and I'm sure it's as bad as you say, but what I don't understand is when people get a cheap ticket but then they have to pay for drinks or bags.

So, if you ticket is $100 cheaper but you have to pay $53 for drinks and bags, you still save money, yes?

Also, for me, air travel these days is just about getting from point A to point B with as little disruption as possible. So what's more important is that the planes are on time and there aren't any "snafus" (bags missing, delays, e.t.c.).

I wonder if there is data to check to see how Spirit does on delays and baggage handling. To me that is the most important thing.

 

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Re: um... wow
Noreen Seebacher   5/15/2012 11:32:42 AM
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The low fares are a marketing ploy: They don't necessarily exist. Look at this price chart for flights from NYC to Las Vegas. I queried RT fares, leaving May 27 and returning May 30.

  

 US Airways

 AirTran Airways

 Delta Air Lines

 United

 Spirit Airlines

 American Airlines

 JetBlue Airways

 Virgin America


Nonstop


0 nonstops


0 nonstops

$522.90

$636.40


0 nonstops

$522.90

$533.60

$747.60

1 stop

$343.20

$364.70

$458.70

$484.50

$494.20

$522.90

$533.60

$747.60


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Re: um... wow
Scott Raynovich   5/15/2012 12:39:11 PM
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@Noreen

Yeah that's not worth it looks like a wash to me.

I'm wondering if there's room for a airline to have a business model to eliminate all the truly most annoying things about airlines. Such as:

1) No change fees. If they can find you another seat on the flight you want, you can switch your ticket without changing fees.

2) Take your bags without charging you.

3) No blackouts for frequent flyers.

4) Make the service attendants nicer.

Call it "Ultimate Airlines." Charge a $100 premium on tickets for the privilege of basic sanity.  I would fly Ultimate Airlines.

 

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Noreen Seebacher   5/15/2012 12:53:57 PM
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So would I! So many "rules" make no sense, for the passengers or the business. When I was returning from Vegas last time, I got to the airport early. There were empty seats on the flight that was soon to depart. i asked if I could take that flight instead. No. Not without a fee of like 75 or 100 dollars. So I waited 2 hours for my flight.

The point is: why not get me out of the airport on an empty seat -- and free up a seat on the later flight for a possible walk-up passenger or someone who missed a connection later in the day?

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Noreen Seebacher   5/15/2012 12:56:21 PM
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Looking at price alone, you'd be better off taking the $343 flight on US Air, or paying a little more for a non-stop on Delta. (I'd avoid AirTrain, for a host of other reasons. But that's another post!)

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Re: um... wow
TelecomFreq   5/15/2012 1:10:36 PM
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I have flown JetBlue a number of times (including the mentioned route NY to LV) and have always been very impressed with them.  For the most part their prices are fair, the seating is roomier then most other coach seats, and the flight attendants make the trip enjoyable.

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Noreen Seebacher   5/15/2012 1:15:13 PM
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I fly JetBlue just because the attendants still give me snacks. For free. I usually take the Terra Blue Chips, which I could buy in a full-size bag at a grocery store -- but which always taste better in a little bag during a flight.

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Re: um... wow
TelecomFreq   5/15/2012 1:24:13 PM
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I am also a fan of the Terra Blue Chips. In a time when you are lucky to get a small bag of dry crackers on a flight, JetBlue hands out a good size bag of chips and a drink to wash it down with.

The last time I flew JetBlue, we got delayed on the runway for about 30 min, as a result they comped drinks for everyone who wanted any adult beverages.

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Re: um... wow
Michi   5/16/2012 11:46:40 AM
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Spirit always flys full over 85 to 90% capacity. So if you are looking for a ticket last minute Spirit will always be higher. All airlines pricing is determend by how many seats are available, more seat cheaper ticket, less seat higher priced ticket. Plus the $100 dollar bag fee is to keep passengers from taking bags to the gate with out paying for them. It takes time away from the gate agent and flight attendant to charge for these fees so to make sure people pay at the counter instead of the gate they are charging a higher price. Also since Spirit has charged for carry on bags deplaneing is quicker. Spirit want pax to check the bag in the belly and not overhead bins. That's why the charge less for checked bags then carry-on. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with Spirit and notice that you are bias because of it. No airline is perfect and anything that happened at Spirit could have happened to you at any other airline. Just so your clear with the carry on bag fees. On line $35 at airport $45 and at the gate when boarding $100. All the news media explaining this in a wrong way not just you.

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Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 11:57:08 AM
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Sure all airlines mess up. But every other one on which I've had a bad experience -- Virgin Atlantic, Delta, JetBlue -- do something Spirit refuses to do. They apologize. They give you some air miles, or a pat on the back and make you feel like they are sorry.

Spirit employees -- and this is not just me saying this -- seem to relish in your misery.

As for the fee, yea, the $100 carry on fee is the maximum fee--I understand that. But if one person has to pay $100 to carry on a diaper bag too big to slip under the seat, it's crazy. What about families who load up on food in the terminal before boarding? Will that shopping bad of salads and sandwhiches and juice boxes count as a carry on bag -- and unwittingly force someone to shell out $100 or leave the $100 worth of overpriced food he just bought at the gate?

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Michi   5/16/2012 12:09:52 PM
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Seriously, food. Now your just bashing them with a hypothetical question. Think about what you said unless the food is in one really big bag your right. But most food places, don't have big bags and specially at the airport. Don't you think each person would take his or own food and put it under there seat. If you have a baby and need a bag for them Spirit will not charge for baby essentials. If the person is so stupid to buy that much food and get charged $100 bucks they deserve it. Why should the rest of the passengers pay high price for there ticket just because some don't know how to pack.

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Michi   5/16/2012 12:18:59 PM
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The problem with the Spirit employees is not them it's not Management it the customers. I really feel bad for what the agents put up with. Same stupid questions, Bad attitude, dunk pax. People don't like to fly and fear flying so when they come the take mess or drink or get nervous, get stressed. So the take out their frustration on the poor agents. Then add to that the make min wage or slightly higher work long hours and your asking them to be nice. You want Spirit to give you something for nothing not going to happen. Spirit will take you from Piont A to point B safely.

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Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 12:25:37 PM
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Hi Michi,

I have five kids. They're older now, but when they were smaller--not babies, but elementary age, travel was cumbersome. I often brought food onboard, for them as well as their two elderly grandmothers who traveled with us. Count the passengers: nine. Each kid and grandma would already have a carryon with essentials for the trip -- kids need a lot of crap to keep 'em quiet inflight. So I always packed a wealth of coloring books, story books, self contained games, etc, along with one change of clothes. Accidents happen. No room in a backpack that a kid can carry for all that, plus his dinner.

I'd carry the food for all of us separately, in a brown shopping bag, and hand it out during the flight.

It's not a crazy scenerio. Unless you like kids screaming inflight.

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Michi   5/16/2012 11:58:52 AM
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You are very wrong many of Spirit customers have flown with us and know what they are getting into. Not everyone checks a bag not everyone takes 2 carry ons why should the person that flies light get charged for someone that bring their whole RV/home with them. The problem is if you buy a ticket from Travelocity or other web based agency they do a bad job of providing info about fees. If you go to www.spirit.com here you will find that all the fees are given to you up front with no hidden agenda. Spirit wants You to purchase what you want or need and nothing else. When you go to the movies do you require them to included the popcorn and drink with your ticket price? How about 5 bucks for popcorn and 5 bucks for a coke is that to expensive or are you the type that takes food and drinks in your purse.

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Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 12:29:33 PM
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I concede I have occassionally taken my own snacks in my purse because 1) my husband is diabetic and can't eat anything they sell at the counter, except perhaps the stale popcorn. And I. unfortunately, have never developed a taste for cheeze whiz and chips, or big, fat overcooked hotdogs. So sometimes, I put grapes in a ziploc bag and hide them in my purse.

Shoot me.

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Michi   5/16/2012 12:53:08 PM
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Ok if you know you will need extra carry on for the trip for food could you not pay for it online or at the counter so you don't get charged $100 bucks? So your telling me that each person can't take one carry on that fit under there seat with suff to play and a bag of food? With nine people in your family you need 18 bags with you ON the plane? Your the reason Spirit charges for carry-on bags and why it takes so long to board and deplane, 5 kid, 18 carry-on bags 2 wheel chairs. No wonder they did not like you. They don't want you back. BTW, I have never seen anyone ever changed for bringing food on board. But I know many even in my family that have alot of kids and love spirit because they get good deals and know how to pack and play the game. Spirit is not for you, but if your going to write a story about them you need to have the facts and your bad experience has clouded your judgement. Spirit will be the airline of the future, sorry to say. Look at Ryan air in Europe, Spirits on it's way. Good luck never flying Spirit again.

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Re: um... wow
Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 12:58:54 PM
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The thing is Michi, is that Spirit does not necessarily offer the lowest fares. Compare prices on various routes.

And one more thing: Who ever said a thing about wheelchairs?

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Re: um... wow
Michi   5/16/2012 1:11:54 PM
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If you going to assume to write this article I did too. Elderly grandmothers... Then I assumed they might need a wheel chair. Your right they are not always the lowest fare because the good deals need to be bought well in advance. The flight fill up quick and the seats left have higher fares. Look a t flight to Latin America, such as Colombia or Peru. Compare them to American, Taca or Avianca and the prices usually are a few hundred less. Other Carriers also charge for bags not just Spirit. Just remember not all passengers are suckers at Spirit has Pax that travel with them all the time cause they know what they are getting into. Don't just assume that everyone is getting fooled.

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Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 1:23:40 PM
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I'm not assuming everyone is getting fooled.

The shareholders did quite nicely in the past year.

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Re: um... wow
cat tail   5/16/2012 1:46:25 PM
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Michi we would take your comments about the airline more seriously if you used proper spelling and grammar!

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Re: um... wow
Spiritownsyou   5/16/2012 5:26:16 PM
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Cat tail, speak for yourself. This isn't TOEFL.

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driven   5/16/2012 3:05:19 PM
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I don't know if you're an investor or an employee of Spirit, Michi...but I know one thing. You are a masochist!

Spirit sucks.

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Fool me once
PredictableChaos   5/15/2012 11:57:50 AM
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@Noreen,

My experience is similar to yours, except I was solo.  I used Spirit to fly back home after my son and I drove him to college.  It was a cheap, one-way ticket.  But I was not expecting to pay $45 for my carry-on bag.  Huh?

What really irritated me - I could have easilly packed to fit my carry-on under the seat - if I had just known about this fee.  Left feeling duped and, like you, haven't flown Spirit since.  Maybe they have to raise the carry-on fee to $100 because people have learned to avoid Spirit when they have much luggage?

The really scary thought - because they're profitable - we may be looking at the future of air travel.

PC

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Re: Fool me once
Noreen Seebacher   5/15/2012 12:04:57 PM
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Ugh, PC, I hope not. It's really frustrating to keep reaching for a credit card inflight for one silly fee after another. But the idea of getting a drink of water from the airline bathroom, as they actually suggest, is disgusting!

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Re: Fool me once
PredictableChaos   5/15/2012 2:42:19 PM
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Sorry Scott,

I'm afraid most of the industry is going the other way, with Spirit as the harbinger of the future. 

Think of bus travel as the model we're moving to.  How nice are the attendants on the bus?  Oh, that's right, there aren't any.  Now imagine an airline where the attendants are just like the bus - there aren't any.  Still no legroom, but now it smells more like airplane fuel and old sweat.  Take a deep breath.  Ahhh.

"Ultimate Airlines" may have a tiny share of the market, but they won't fly to Montana anyway.

PC

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Re: Fool me once
Scott Raynovich   5/15/2012 6:17:44 PM
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PredictableChaos,

You are probably right I see robotic flight attendants in our future. Maybe they will be nicer than humans. Well look at the bright side: Checking in and getting your ticket with automated machines is nice!

Hopefully Ultimate will get here and displace United which rules the Gallatin County airport.

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impactnow   5/15/2012 2:00:03 PM
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I understand the dollars and cents are adding up for Spirit but for those that look at the total cost of flight a competitor may be cheaper on the same route. Unfortunately many do not understand the hidden fees of airline travel until they get to the airport and it's too late. I feel that Southwest is also a terrible experience, I call it the subway in the sky but many love it and fly it and they are profitable. I have long been a Continental fan but since the merger it is also rudeness in the sky, maybe it's just the nature of the airline industry in these times. I can't remember the last time I flew and it was a pleasant trip.

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Drivewaygirl   5/15/2012 2:21:48 PM
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I don't care for Southwest because of it's no assigned seat policy. However, I don't get the same level of disdain from the Southwest employees that I get from the ones at Spirit. Spirit Airlines: always looking for new ways to bring you down.

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Tenacious   5/15/2012 2:28:28 PM
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Spirit will be profitable for only a limited time. Sooner rather than later its reputation will overtake the myth of its low prices. And then those rude employees can all take their fees and shove them.

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can Spirit really stay in business ?
Value Hiker   5/15/2012 2:55:52 PM
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Passengers may complain about the unending fees, but analysts like Maxim Group's Ray Neidl say the Spirit business model is "brilliant."

I don't see any brillance of Spirit business model. Cutting out of the fat is a good practice for any business, but cutting to the bone is a really bad idea. There is a fine line between being a miser and being a robber. Investors will be ok to see the CEO cleaning his own office. (Does this guy have anything better to do ?) But they won't be happy to see Spirit charging customers $3 for plain water. It is not cost-saving, it is a ripoff.  

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Re: can Spirit really stay in business ?
Scott Raynovich   5/15/2012 6:14:39 PM
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I don't get the business model either. "Be super cheap and low end?"

 

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I just don't understand
tokyogai   5/16/2012 9:20:13 AM
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I see why Spirit is making money- charging for everything, but I wonder how many loyal repaet customers they have? I would not even consider flying them- I don't need to pay to be treated poorly. I agree that this model has a limited life. By the time you pay for extras, it may be better to take a more civil carrier and also be treated better.

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Dex   5/16/2012 2:26:48 PM
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There is a difference between traveling frugally and traveling cheaply. I believe in looking for bargains, taking advantage of sales and stretching my dollars. However, traveling "cheap" does not generally provide good value. It just creates headaches.

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Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 2:37:39 PM
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Excellent point @Dex.

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New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
PredictableChaos   5/16/2012 7:24:14 PM
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On line $35

At the 'reservation center' $40

At the ticket counter or kiosk $50. (And if it fits under your seat, it's still free.)

It's about $5 cheaper to check it in the belly of the plane, unless you have multiple bags.  The 3rd, 4th and 5th checked bags are $100 each.  And another thing to watch out for - the weight limit for regular pricing is lighter than most airlines -  just 40 pounds per bag. 

Source for the above

This isn't wonderful, but at least it's not $100 for the first carry-on bag. and starting in November, it is $100 for a checked bag if you wait until you're at the gate.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 9:23:58 PM
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PC,

As noted in the story, the $100 carry on fee only starts in November. And yes--you can save a few bucks if you pay for your carry on before you reach the gate. ($35 or $50 in advance or at the ticket counter, respectively)

But what happens if you don't? Because are you really expecting to have to pay for a carry on bag (unless you're a Spirit regular)?

All Customers - Airport Gate purchase

Domestic

Current

International

Current

Effective Nov 6 2012

Domestic and International

Carry-on bags purchased at Gate

$45

$45

$100


Source: http://www.spirit.com/OptionalFees.aspx

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/16/2012 9:47:02 PM
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All the information regarding luggage fees is available on spirit's web site. No one puts a gun to your head to fly with spirit. You should really consider whining for a living as opposed to writing idiotic articles. Just a thought. :)

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 10:05:51 PM
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And you should consider getting a job with a real airline, @Spiritownsyou,

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/16/2012 10:31:36 PM
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@ Noreen Speaking of jobs, would you like to give me a job?:) How about a proofreading job for your article? I am willing to do it for free;)

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 10:44:11 PM
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Sorry. We only hire professionals for our copydesk.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
PredictableChaos   5/16/2012 10:07:29 PM
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@Noreen,

I stand corrected - it is $100 per carry-on (starting in November, as you noted). That fee will greatly incent people to do something else with their bags.

@Spiritownsyou

Spirit's fee page is well laid out, for what it communicates. But there are so many fees...

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/16/2012 10:23:28 PM
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@PredictableChaos So? If you are getting an information overload by so many fees, why should it be Spirit's problem?

@Noreen Did you really almost get tossed from a flight because you were saying out loud how bad Spirit was? No offence, but how old are you? 12? Also, it appears that you had known about Spirit being bad prior to the flight, but you still decided to go ahead and fly with them......why?

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 10:50:28 PM
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Ugh, I hate it when people can't read and don't know how to spell, Spiritownsyou.

I did not know Spirit was a sham airline until I took the first leg of my journey. By the time I tried to return home, and one of my children was denied boarding BECAUSE THE AIRLINE CLAIMED HE NEVER FLEW FROM NEW YORK WITH THE REST OF US THE WEEK BEFORE -- even though he had his boarding pass and luggage tags from the flight -- I saw Spirit for the nasty, unfriendly, inconsiderate company that it is. 

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/16/2012 11:20:19 PM
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Noreen, who can't read and doesn't know how to spell?:)

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/16/2012 11:45:52 PM
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Offence? What word is that? And clearly you did not read the article because nowhere do I suggest I rode Spirit once and then subjected myself to abuse again.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/17/2012 12:25:17 AM
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@Noreen

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/offence (educate yourself a little;))

I did read your article. "Also, it appears that you had known about Spirit being bad prior to the flight, but you still decided to go ahead and fly with them......why?"


I merely suggested that you weren't  happy with Spirit before stepping on that particular flight. You therefore must had had bad experience with them. I then merely asked why you didn't choose another airline. Correct me where I am wrong.

" BECAUSE THE AIRLINE CLAIMED HE NEVER FLEW FROM NEW YORK WITH THE REST OF US THE WEEK BEFORE"

should be

" BECAUSE THE AIRLINE CLAIMED HE HAD NEVER FLOWN FROM NEW YORK WITH THE REST OF US THE WEEK BEFORE"

You have a whole bunch of similar grammar mistakes in your article. ;)


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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/17/2012 5:43:45 AM
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Find them. It is offense, not offence, in America.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
driven   5/17/2012 7:37:45 AM
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The only words we should really be discussing are "customer service" and the total lack of it at Spirit Airlines. Think I'm exagerating?

Well, a few years back a couple who had a bad experience on Spirit emailed the Airlines' customer service department looking for answers. The email was eventually escalated to Spirit Airlines CEO Ben Baldanza.

Baldanza made the mistake of hitting "reply to all"  in his response to the passengers. Here is what he said:

"Please respond Pasquale, but we owe him nothing as far as I'm concerned. Let him tell the world how bad we are. He's never flown us before anyway and will be back when we save him a penny."

What a terrible attitude from a CEO. 

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
BigJim   5/17/2012 7:42:50 AM
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I'm guessing our Canadian friend (you are Canadian, aren't you Spirtownsyou?) wouldn't understand how irritating it is to deal with Spirit since he/she claims to have never been aboard one of its lame ass flights.

Actually, however, he/she may be very familiar, because from the snarky know it all tone, he/she probably WORKS for Spirit customer service.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/17/2012 8:17:27 AM
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Consumers -- and investors -- want to believe that upper management has their backs. When they lose that peace of mind, they eventually lose faith in a company. An email like that is damaging to a company and its long term reputation.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/17/2012 2:35:54 PM
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@Noreen Sorry to disappoint you, but Internet is not limited to just America. If you are going to attack my English, that is totally fine, but don't take cheapshots.

@Tenacious Check this out, ignoramus. http://grammarist.com/spelling/offence-offense/

@BigJim Yes, I am Canadian. I am curious what gave that away. :)

No, I do not work for Spirit. If I worked in Spirit Airlines cutomer service, I would probably hang myself.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/17/2012 3:01:19 PM
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@Noreen "...just because I said aloud as I was boarding that the airline is uncomfortable, unfriendly, and over regimented,..."

should be

"...just because I said aloud as I was boarding that the airline was uncomfortable, unfriendly, and over regimented,..."

"Thanks to my husband, much better behaved after a preboarding incident that left me infuriated, I was allowed to stay aboard."

should be

"Thanks to my husband, much better behaved after a preboarding incident that had left me infuriated, I was allowed to stay aboard."

"But I never flew Spirit again"

should be

"But I have never flown Spirit again"

"Spirit said this month that it plans to raise its fee for carry-on bags to $100, becoming the first US airline to charge so much for a service most airlines offer for free."

should be

"Spirit said this month that it planned to raise its fee for carry-on bags to $100, becoming the first US airline to charge so much for a service most airlines offer for free."

The above is from the first half of your article. Do you want me to tutor you on tenses so you don't look like a retard next time you write something?

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/17/2012 4:23:59 PM
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Spitownsyou (CQ), Your childishness and pettiness supports my thesis that Spirit Airline employees are rude, obnoxious, and to be avoided at all costs -- even if that means spending more (but probably less)  for a ticket on a legitimate carrier.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/17/2012 4:25:40 PM
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One more thing Spittle...

There's nothing wrong with our tenses, but there's certainly something wrong with your manners.

 

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/18/2012 12:06:33 AM
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"...Your childishness and pettiness supports my thesis that Spirit Airline employees are rude..." It is support, Noreen, support. No "s" at the end. Also, the name of the company in question is Spirit Airlines. :)


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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Noreen Seebacher   5/18/2012 5:50:42 AM
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Interesting that you don't deny the obvious - that Spirit employees are rude, petty and childish - and only focus on how "airline" is spelled. I rest my case. Folks, this is why I question the long term sustainability of this business model. Low end and abusive? There is a limited market for that combination.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Dex   5/18/2012 5:54:02 AM
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Convinced! I will NEVER fly Spit Airlines.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
cat tail   5/18/2012 7:03:19 AM
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I'm with you Dex!

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Drivewaygirl   5/18/2012 7:04:58 AM
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OMG @Noreen! You could not have paid someone to support your points as well as the very obnoxious poster who has been unsuccessfully defending this crap ass airline. Spirit? Hell no!

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/18/2012 1:51:40 PM
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@Drivewaygirl

Who is the obnoxious poster who has been unsuccessfully defending this crap ass airline?

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Bargain Bin   5/19/2012 12:26:34 PM
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I've never seen someone so passionate about an airline service. 

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/18/2012 1:41:30 PM
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@Noreen You rest your case, eh? Are you pretending to be a lawyer?

Who let this woman out of the kitchen?!?!? :)

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Scott Raynovich   5/18/2012 4:11:09 PM
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I can see these Spirit defenders are winning so many people over. Charming aren't they?

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Spiritownsyou   5/18/2012 4:47:31 PM
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I appreciate sarcasm, Scott, I honestly do. (I am not being sarcastic)

The beauty about Spirit is that it doesn't need to win people over for those people to keep on flying and paying all those extra fees. Do the people hate Spirit? Most do. That hate on its own however does not seem to affect the bottom line and that is all that counts.

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Scott Raynovich   5/18/2012 4:53:59 PM
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Lovely. Charming. I have never flown your airline but clearly you are not an effective marketing agent. You've lost another passenger already!

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/18/2012 5:03:27 PM
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Scott, oh no!!!! Should I sell all my stock???

I might not be an effective marketing agent, but as long as this is not what I do for a living, I should be okay, I think. :)

In order to lose something, you need to have that something. I highly doubt that you decided not to fly Spirit because of me. If you did decide not to fly with Spirit beacause of me, then you are an idiot.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
AskAsa   5/18/2012 4:06:20 PM
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Noreen's sparse, less wordy writing style and her use of contractions is in perfect sync with modern news writing style.
You can't deny the strength of her message so instead you try to discredit her technique.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/18/2012 4:33:39 PM
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"Noreen's sparse, less wordy writing style and her use of contractions is in perfect sync with modern news writing style." Plural for the verb to be is ARE, AskAsa, not IS.

You must be related to Noreen. If so, why would you let her out of the kitchen?:)


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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
AskAsa   5/21/2012 10:05:20 AM
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What century are you from?

 Get back to the kitchen?

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Tenacious   5/17/2012 11:44:53 AM
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Hahaha. You may have spelled the word correctly, but it's the wrong word. You were trying to use offense...but I don't blame you, these are at least 7th grade words, so I can see where you would get tripped up.

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
PredictableChaos   5/16/2012 10:50:46 PM
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@Spiritownsyou,

Spirit is innovative.  Too many airlines have copied every move of their breakeven (or going bankrupt) competitors for far too long.  Spirit has a new idea.  I even agree with you that they may be showing us the future of air-travel - more flexibility for the customer to choose what they are (and are not) willing to pay money for.

At the same time, they have a LOT of fees.  Noreen and I are not the only people who are accustomed to the way most airlines operate.  

"Information overload" becomes Spirit's problem when a significant fraction of their first-time customers feel ripped off.  It doesn't matter that the fees are fully explained on the website or on the ticket or whatever. If too many customer's feel taken, they may choose not to fly Spirit again. it makes no difference that they're being irrational.  Sometimes people are.

Another risk for investors looking at Spirit - as more repeat customers manage to avoid the fees; will this damage Spirit's profits?

PC

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Re: New Spirit fees for carry-on bags
Spiritownsyou   5/16/2012 11:18:17 PM
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@PredictableChaos You would really be surprised how many "Spirit sucks. I will never fly with them again." people not only keep on flying with Spirit, but also fail to minimize their losses on those extra fees. I personally have never flown with Spirit and I am pretty sure its product is pretty bad. Its business model on another hand is to be admired. :)

There is death. There are taxes. People keep on flying Spirit. People fail to avoid fees. :)

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Customer service
Tenacious   5/17/2012 7:50:33 AM
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Just take a look at the long long list of consumer complaints about Spirit here.

What you find is inflexibility beyond a business need, and, as noted in the article, real dislike for the passengers.

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Re: Customer service
Scott Raynovich   5/17/2012 11:13:47 AM
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@Tenacious

"real dislike for the passengers."

is that really different from any other airline?


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Re: Customer service
Noreen Seebacher   5/17/2012 12:22:50 PM
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Spirit is open about it. I prefer the passive aggression of the other airlines.

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Lawsuit
Noreen Seebacher   5/17/2012 8:30:23 AM
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I'm eager to see the outcome of a lawsuit a Spirit passenger filed earlier this year after the airline  tacked on a $2 "Dept. of Transportation Unintended Consequences Fee." The fee was created in response to a new federal regulation that allows fliers to change their flights without penalty within the first 24 hours after booking.

 The folks at Spirit Airlines which they said was to cover the added costs resulting from the new rule. But a woman in Illinois claims the fee is fraudulent. What do you think?

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Drivewaygirl   5/17/2012 8:55:55 AM
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An unintended consequence fee? Give me a break. Unintended consequences are the price of doing business.

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More airline nonsense
driven   6/11/2012 4:17:06 PM
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The website Nerdwallet.com recently launched an airline fee search tool that lets travelers compare airline fees in such areas as cost to check bags and seat assignment fees.

I think that's worth looking into.

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Re: More airline nonsense
driven   6/11/2012 4:19:06 PM
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Take a look at these results for someone who "plans to check a bag" and "wants a seat assignment."

Your fees are calculate based on: Roundtrip


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Re: More airline nonsense
Dex   6/11/2012 4:34:19 PM
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Of course Spirit leads the pack with its ridiculous fees.

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Re: More airline nonsense
Dex   6/11/2012 4:35:48 PM
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Glad to see Virgin America and Jetblue backed down from those fees for window and aisle seats that could serve as a barrier between parents and their children.



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