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Low Confidence Stalls Housing Market

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yalanand
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Re : Low Confidence Stalls Housing Market
yalanand   4/30/2011 2:22:10 PM
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I found this interesting analysis on marketoracle.co.uk

"At the end of the day, what we find is that housing's renewed decline is mostly a positive development. It will cause problems, to be sure. But in the long run, it will produce a healthier economy with more jobs. And hopefully the whole experience will teach us that houses are not a one-way bet (meaning that prices don't only increase -they can go down, as well). Thus, we should know better than to commit the bulk of our wealth to such an unproductive investment."

tokyogai
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I agree
tokyogai   4/29/2011 10:00:18 PM
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I agree completely with PAW. That is the way people should look at their homes. Good comment.

PAW
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Re: Has the investment value of a home gone away?
PAW   4/29/2011 6:46:12 PM
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I hope that the recent housing bubble problem will be a wake-up call that your house should not be viewed as an "investment"; it is where you live.  If the value increases and you make a profit when you sell it, that is great.  But, do not "bank" on it to be your retirement income or a way to get rich quick.  Many people did and now they are broke or "underwater".   


Scott McCaig
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Real estate tax liens - anyone doing them?
Scott McCaig   4/10/2011 5:46:07 PM
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Anyone buying real estate tax liens? Might be an interesting safe play for now. I studied them as an investment option a while agofor the "safe" portion of my portfolio, never took any action, but recently I've ended up holding a few unintentinally (through a private fund that was shutting down and parceling out assets). I love the good rates of return, and the spetacular safety. Any opinions?

John Jordan
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Re: Fear of owning
John Jordan   4/10/2011 9:48:05 AM
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Noreen: It is a crisis of confidence. All the ingredients are in place to have a robust sales market: low interest rates, low prices and sellers willing to deal.

While Wall Street is doing fine, consumers are still reluctant to step back into the housing market. Yes, they may now be thinking about buying a new flat screen TV or doing the renovation they had put off for their basement or master bath, however, they either do not have the resources or are still unwilling to make the major invesestment to buy the new house. For many existng homebuyers, they can't sell their house for the price they require to buy the new home they want.

Combine that with lawmakers in Washington discussing eliminating or putting restructions on the Mortgage Interest Rate Deduction, and it is no wonder that housing sales are still struggling.

Noreen Seebacher
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Fear of owning
Noreen Seebacher   4/9/2011 11:31:05 AM
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Hey John...I think you brought into focus one of the lingering effects of this depression (yes, that's what I intrinsically believe it to be). We lost faith in everything that seemed so solid before: investment banks, job security, auto makers, our ability to provide for our families. In this environment, it takes a real leap of faith to sign a purchase agreement. There's even more reluctance in high tax states such as New York, where the tax advantages of ownership are diluted by the haunting fear of AMT. In NY, it's common to pay $15,000 (or more) on a $500,000 house (which in the NYC area is equal to or less than median sale price). Throw $15,000 of property tax on your 1040 -- add in a few dependents and even a moderate wage -- and AMT kicks in. Given all that, renting seems to have its advantages.

back2basicz
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Re: Why Buy when you can rent???
back2basicz   4/8/2011 12:16:31 PM
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Scott,

Thanks for your piece!!

I learnt a lot (from your first-hand experience of this concept).

Please keep up the good work and keep enlightening us.

One thing I would like to add is that betting on the Spread is beyond most ordinary rentors/would be owners.

Regards

Ashish.

Scott McCaig
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Re: Why Buy when you can rent???
Scott McCaig   4/8/2011 11:16:13 AM
Ashish,

All good Qs. I've done this before personally - actually, I've acquired a property on a ren-to-own basis and then instead of living there, I put in my own rent-to-own tenant-buyer (that's what they are called). Of course I received a spread on both the rent and the price of the property.   As such, I know the details of how these work and it would be able to put together a simpler rent-to-own for someone who planned to live in the home.

Fundamentally, the way to put together a rent-to-own is with two documents - a lease, and a unilateral option to buy at some point down the road. The eventual purchase price can be determine many ways, but if I were to be the teant buyer, I'd prefer to put in a fixed price so that I might have some upside. If you don't want to gable like that, you can agree to have an appraisal done at that time.

Brief answers to some of your Qs...

Can he/she leave whenever they chose to?

Sort of. Depending on how the lease is written, that would be breaking the lease with whatever remedies are in the lease and local laws.

What if they chose to leave because of Job/health,etc,etc and then come back after a few years??? Does their equity have to start from Zero all over Again???

What equity? Whether there's any equity build-up during the term of the lease-option is up to both parties. When I'm the owner-landlord, I do typically offer what are typically called rent credits (extra rent payments that go towards the eventual purchase if exercised).

How does the Owner of the Property Gain from the Transaction?

Most owners wouldn't benefit from this unless they have a special situation.
  • You saw one above (when I used this strategy to make money on the spread).
  • If you're willing to keep your loan in place (if you have one), you can often command a higher price since the tenant buyers often can't get a loan for one reasons or another. Of course, you'd want some reasons to belive that they will be able to down the road.
  • Often, the tenant buys don't buy. This means you've gotten rent payments for a period of time (perhaps while a market recovers) and still own the house after the lease and option expire.

There are lots more details to make these work well - especially as a business (e.g. make sure that if you're the owner, you get rid of most of the standard landlord traps, etc.)

 

-Scott








mInvestor
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Re: How about global investment options?
mInvestor   4/7/2011 10:26:08 PM
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I think the real estate markets in Asia are very different than our North American one. Even in Asia, the difference between Singarpore and Dubai is very big. I am afraid we can't just use one way to measure it.

In terms of the real estate market in Singarpore, it has its own unique feature. The governent set the rule that people needs to buy a house before they can apply for a permenant resident in that country. There is very high demand to become a permanent resident in Singarpore, based on past seveal years data. So it is probably safe to say the real estate market will be quite stable in the next several years.

About farm land, especially in Asia, the story is also different. In some countries, individual can't buy/sell farm land. In other countries, farm land doesn't have real resell value.

I believe there are lots of opportunies in Asia markets. But we need to do more homework before we dive into them.

It's probably true for any market and any investment.

 

Hope everyone has a happy investment year.

mInvestor

tokyogai
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Has the investment value of a home gone away?
tokyogai   4/7/2011 5:07:54 PM
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In middle class America almost since the end of the second world war, the family home was viewed as a retirement savings plan. It provides shelter during your life, but with tax incentives and an almost continuing rise in pricing, it was one of the largest and best performing investments most people ever made. As the market heated up with easy money, prices started to rise much faster than the rate if infaltion and real estate became a bubble. Many people for the first time came to understand that prices can go down as well as up. This had a profound effect as savings went away and many buyers who had made low or no down payments found themselves " under water". This has spawned a crisis in confidence as people really hesitate to buy housing. Couple that with a still large inventory of distressed properties and I think it will be some time before the market really recovers. This will not be a quick process.

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