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Surprise: Oil Prices Go Up, Spending Goes Down

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PAW
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PAW   6/18/2011 10:01:44 PM
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These "expets" didn't say anymore than I could have told you after taking Econ 101.  I hope these guys don't get paid to write such useless info.  

driven
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Re: Surprise: Oil Prices Go Up, Spending Goes Down
driven   6/18/2011 9:38:42 PM
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Great response - who knew someone could write such an in depth article about the simple laws of supply and demand? 

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Re: Energy Costs
Broadway   5/27/2011 2:16:05 PM
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SD, the media can't focus on more than one thing at a time. The general consumer media is either obsessed with tornadoes or Kim kardashian's ring, and financial and political outlets are all about the debt ceiling.

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SD_Wilson   5/27/2011 1:22:41 PM
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I am just wondering why more media and the political and financial world are not talking more about the possibility of derailing the economic recovery with soaring energy prices.  It seems self-evident.  The high oil prices contributed heavily to the collapse in 2008/2009.

Where are the rest of the people raising this concern globally?

SD

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Re: Energy Costs
back2basicz   5/26/2011 10:34:19 AM
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Broadway,

There is only way around it(a not so expensive summer).

A Total collapse in Global Financial Markets[I would'nt bet either against it or for it].

Regards

Ashish.

Broadway
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Re: Energy Costs
Broadway   5/25/2011 11:38:01 PM
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Ashish, not sure you'll see a release of the strategic reserves anytime short of Arnmageddon. And as you said, Obama won't stand up to the Fed. So are we looking at an expensive summer?

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Re: They're gonna stay high, but hopefully less rapid swings
back2basicz   5/25/2011 1:34:31 PM
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Broadway,

You have to realise that in both India and China,the retail Refined products market is controlled primarily by the Govt[Petrochina and Sinopec in China and IOC,BPCL and HPCL in India].

Now when the Govt is directly involved in a business of running something things tend to get complicated and messed up[As I am sure you agree].

Similar things are happening In India and china as well.

In India,The Domestic Fuel retailers are basically cross-subsidizing-[Selling Gasoline for  more than the market price to make up for the losses they make on the Selling Diesel and Cooking Gas below the market price].

This is why Gasoline is so expensive in India today.For comparison sakes,Diesel costs 35% less than Gasoline-about $3.8/Gallon[Much cheaper than in many parts of the US too].

Why this business of cross-subsidizing???

Raising Diesel prices means raising the cost of every thing that needs to be moved by Heavy commercial vehicles-Basically each and everything.And when you already have Double Digit Inflation,you don't want to pressurize your electorate anymore do you???

In China a similar dynamic is at play as well.

Regards

Ashish.

 

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back2basicz   5/25/2011 1:15:12 PM
ImpactNow,

There are two things the US Govt can do immediately(to bring down Crude Oil Prices) over the next one month or so.

1)Release Crude from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve in Cushing,Okhlahoma.

It does'nt have to be much,say about 80 million barrels(5 days worth of US consumption).

2)Force Ben Bernanke and rest of the clowns at the Federal Reserve to back off on QE3(atleast till March 2012) and close down QE2 immediately.With no QE to prop up asset values and excessive liquidity its going to feed into the Crude Oil markets bigtime.

If both these moves happen over the next month,I CAN GUARANTEE that you will see Gasoline Prices of below USD 3.5/Gallon all across the US by the time Summer Driving season is in full swing[In fact an all out collapse in Crude Oil prices can't be ruled out either].

Will any of these moves actually happen? You need courage to take on the Wall Street cabal currently running America and No,Obama does'nt have it(and besides hes too beholden to his paymasters on Wall Street).

Regards

Ashish.

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impactnow   5/25/2011 1:08:38 AM
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We absolutely will see spending decrease with the rise in oil prices—disposable income is rapidly evaporating for Middle America when the fuel prices rise. The high cost of fuel coupled with the other major economic variables including high unemployment, and rising food prices are pressuring the economy severely. It was amazing to see the effect of high oil prices in my local area as gas prices rose the restaurants and malls got empty. Unless we see some action on oil prices this summer will be brutal for many businesses that depend on consumer spending to power up over the summer months.

Broadway
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Re: They're gonna stay high, but hopefully less rapid swings
Broadway   5/24/2011 9:32:29 PM
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Ashish, how much is gas taxed in Asia generally speaking? Typically the price difference between Europe and the US is explained by Americas low fuel tax.

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