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Street Smart
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Jobs and Infrastructure
Street Smart   10/23/2011 11:29:36 AM
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As a New Yorker and a non-Republican, I'm all for jobs creation, infrastructure spending and expediting the repair or rebuilding of the Tappan Zee Bridge.

But having seen the first stimulus with its "shovel ready" projects get squandered on lots of spending that, while arguably vital, did not create jobs, I'm leery of promises this go-around.

I remember a poignant quote by a downsized Bear Stearns banker when the last stimulus was being voted through in which he said something to the effect of..."That's all well and good but it's not like I'm going to get a job on the road crew."

To me that's the problem.  Not only are these infrastructure programs not shovel ready, they will really only benefit union labor.  As such, they're a sop to the traditional Democratic power base and I can't blame the Republicans for being cynical.

As much as we need infrastructure spending, we also need something on the scale of Depression era programs to really make a dent in our unemployment. 

mInvestor
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
mInvestor   10/22/2011 2:48:36 PM
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The proposal sounds good. But who is going to fund the projects? If we are talking about tax dollar, then we are already in deep debt. Look at Greece now. Becareful of this kind of job stimulus package. What did the last one perform?

 

John Jordan
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
John Jordan   10/21/2011 6:03:01 AM
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According to the latest figures from Recovery.gov, the 2009 stimulus included tax benefits ($298.5 billion); entitlements $211.4 biilion); and contract, grant and loan programs (approximately $210.2 billion), of which more than $53 billion went for transportation and infrastructure spending.Therefore, of the $840 billion in funding allocated, infrastructure spending accounted for a little over 6%.

philtheinvestor
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
philtheinvestor   10/20/2011 8:35:33 PM
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So where did the rest end up?

John Jordan
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
John Jordan   10/20/2011 7:43:29 PM
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The last stimulus, while touted as an infrastructure stimulus, was not. Only a minor portion of the now estimated $840 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act went to infrastructure spending. According to fed statistics, $30.3 billion went for highway infrastructure, high speed rail corridors and grants for railroads and airports, and $22 billion was for broadband, federal building funding, highway construction, rural water and waste disposal work.

PredictableChaos
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
PredictableChaos   10/20/2011 3:33:35 PM
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The list of 14 specific projects raises a question for me -

Whatever did we get for the last $800 Billion of stimulus money?  That was supposed to be going to 'shovel ready' projects.  The funding would have been enough to build 20 Tappan Zee bridges, even at the higher $16B cost estimate.

Do we have dozens of wonderful new infrastructure improvements that I'm just not noticing?

No doubt the politicians will vote in their own best interest.  No doubt they will be happy to stand in front of any manner of projects and claim all sorts of crediit. Elections can provide a special (perhaps temoraty) return to the interests of the peolple.

The question for voters is what credit (or blame) do our elected officials really deserve.

 

TelecomFreq
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
TelecomFreq   10/20/2011 12:12:29 PM
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I would hope it is something they can agree on, and the projects listed here could not only boost the economy but improve saftey, I think this would be a politcal win/win.

Phoenix
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
Phoenix   10/20/2011 11:57:20 AM
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I also agree with you that infrastructure is indeed a good area for investment right now. Let's face it this looks like something that both the republicans and democrats will agree on. Although they may do so mainly as a means of showing tangible proof of their worth to voters as mentioned this would actually benefit the economy.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
Noreen Seebacher   10/20/2011 9:53:58 AM
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As a native Pittsburgher -- a place where people really love their bridges , and have built I don't know how many to cross three relatively narrow rivers -- I have always wondered about the limited crossings over (or under) the Hudson. Knock out the Tappan Zee and what's left? The already overcrowded George Washington, the two tunnels or a trek upstate over the dubious Bear Mountain Bridge (which leads to a scary 2-lane cliffhanging highway). In short, very few options.

I just roll the windows down when I cross the TZ in case it collapses. I don't want to be trapped in my car in the Hudson ...

John Jordan
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Re: Tappan Zee Bridge
John Jordan   10/20/2011 9:23:53 AM
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More than a decade of studies. Some politicians, including Westchester County Executive Robert Astorino, have warned that while the bridge is not in danger of collapse, if for some reason it is shut down for repairs it would cause significant economic harm to the NYC region.

If any infrastructure stimulus were to be enacted, this is the type of project that should receive some funding. It will create thousands of much needed construction jobs.

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