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The Difference Between a Buck & Being Bucked

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Value Hiker
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One dollar salary is like one dollar stock
Value Hiker   8/19/2011 4:49:15 PM
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If a company's stock is at one dollar, you can not tell it is good or bad without checking business fundamentals, like EPS, PE, ROE, etc.  The same is for one dollar salary, it doesn't tell us anything till we check the comany's performance, CEO's equity holding, and other compensation, like private jet, interest-free mortgage, housing subsidy, etc.

tokyogai
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1 dollar
tokyogai   8/19/2011 5:40:11 PM
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Investors have been able to tell for a long time that a $1 salary has more than a few perks.  I thought it was obvious that there are many forms of compensation beyond the salary. I guess it is good to remind people from tiem to time.

driven
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Re: 1 dollar
driven   8/20/2011 8:19:58 AM
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This practice annoys me. It reminds me of a sleezy person who tries to make himself look "good" by boasting that he attends Sunday church services. Just be honest! And while serious investors can tell the scheme, the average person may not--winning the company untold amounts of unwarranted good wiill.

Phoenix
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Re: 1 dollar
Phoenix   8/20/2011 12:29:38 PM
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Yes it really is misleading and I also agree that it has been a very effective means of winning the companies and the CEO's in question a lot of goodwill and favourable publicity. I think they should declare how much they actually make from other options like shares, bonuses and other allowances.

I do however like the idea of the CEO getting paid with stock options as long as the option remains the same through good and bad market conditions. It would act as an incentive to make the CEO more interested in making the company stock more valuable thereby benefiting him as well as the company and its shareholders.

Broadway
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Re: 1 dollar
Broadway   8/20/2011 6:08:39 PM
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The question is, what happens to the rest of that CEO's salary when he passes on it for just that $1? Even if they only take $1 in salary, CEOs are entitled to incentives like performance-based bonuses and stock options. And of course CEOs are rich and will still be rich even if they accept $1 in salary. Even "average" people realize this.

But if CEOs want to make a fuss about their $1 salary, they should also donate what they would have earned into a fund, say, to help support families of recently laid-off workers, or to help offset the costs of healthcare that the company's shifted to its workers more and more.

PAW
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Re: 1 dollar
PAW   8/21/2011 12:37:11 PM
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I agree, the $1 CEO salary is a gimmick; nothing more than a marketing ploy to buy investor confidence.  Investors should question where the money goes that would have otherwise been the CEO’s salary.  If CEOs want to build some tangible goodwill, their foregone salary should go back to the employees to offset rising healthcare cost, that are continually passed onto the employee, or to help those that have been laid off.  Great ideas!

Michael Shmarak
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Michael Shmarak   8/21/2011 9:26:30 PM
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If you find an example of this, share it with the group.  I wish more CEOs would do this....

Michael Shmarak
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Re: 1 dollar
Michael Shmarak   8/21/2011 9:27:48 PM
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Even though "average people" might realize this, why does it have to be that way?  If a company is tanking, does the CEO deserve his compensation?  Why should he/she have a job when others are getting the ax for something they had little to do with?

Broadway
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Re: 1 dollar
Broadway   8/21/2011 10:20:38 PM
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CEOs now have the star status of a professional athlete or movie star. They get the big contracts no matter what. They're even more protected than the aforementioned highly paid folks. If a movie star stars in a really bad bad movie that tanks at the box office, their career could be done. If a professional athlete gets the big bucks but then underperforms for the duration of that contract, then the chances of them getting that next big contract are really slim. If a CEO tanks a company, chances are some other sucker company will take a bet on them and hire them again.

mInvestor
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Re: 1 dollar
mInvestor   8/22/2011 12:30:17 AM
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Thank Michael for this well written piece. It's indeed a well known problem. I guess more people and investors understand this "trick", not sure why CEOs and thier boards are still doing this nonesense.

And Braodwawy, you are absolutely right. Even a CEO tanks a company, there are other companies are willing to hire him. But why? Those people are not stupid, the board members are supposed to be intelligent. They must have a reason to hire those under-performed CEOs. Maybe some people can shed some light on this puzzle.

 

Jacob
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Jacob   8/22/2011 4:08:55 AM
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1 saves
“I've asked my Board to reduce my salary to twenty nickels, equally divided among each pay period for the remainder of SMPR's fiscal year, so that more money can be distributed to my employees and other stakeholders. Yes, my friends, life is good.”

Michael, it’s so nice of you and your decisions can make you unique across the industry. Even in recession time also, we had read that many of the CEO from government aided companies are drawing a huge sum as salary and perks. Your attitude and sympathy to the fellow co workers can motivate them to put more effort for the growth of your firm.

Michael Shmarak
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Re: 1 dollar
Michael Shmarak   8/22/2011 12:56:11 PM
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Jacob,

 

You might want to read the following paragraph about my stated position.  It was a joke.  I don't do well when a CEO takes a position like the $1.oo salary initiative; as you read the post a bit more you would see what I mean.

Broadway
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Re: 1 dollar
Broadway   8/22/2011 8:30:23 PM
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mlnivestor, you're right. It's easy to chalk that up to the "old boy's network" ... rich white men rehiring other rich white men. But there's got to be more to it. Perhaps it's because the ex-CEO can convince his new employer that he got a bum deal at his last company and deserves another shot to prove himself? After all, to be a CEO, you've got to be a pretty charismatic person, so they might be able to sway even wise and intelligent board members.

AskAsa
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One dollar
AskAsa   8/21/2011 7:38:57 PM
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Greed does not begin or end with the CEO who is unwilling to sacrifice when times get tough.

I once sat in a meeting with more than a dozen people all earning well into six figures some of them seven figures.

After hearing plenty of angry talk about  secretaries and assistants being laid off and how that would create more work for all of us I made a suggetion - why dont we all take a 5 percent paycut and help those people keep their jobs?

You could have heard a pin drop, not to mention  the noose with my name on it being readied by the crowd.

The secretaries and assistants were all eliminated.

Michael Shmarak
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Re: One dollar
Michael Shmarak   8/21/2011 9:25:40 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if the same people who you interviewed are now working in Congress, Asa.

 

Here's the thing about many CEOs--they think people are expenses, things that can get cut by a red pen.  I know one admin asst who literally keeps the boss alive because of what she does for him. 

 

PAW
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Re: One dollar
PAW   8/25/2011 8:31:49 AM
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I don't doubt that some employees and managers would be reluctant to take a pay cut in order to save the jobs of others...especially the more highly compensated employees.  I do know of one instance, however, where positions were redefined and salaries reduced so as to avoid laying off staff memebers.  OF course, this was as a non-profit organization and they tend to be a bit more sympathetic and responsive to their emplopyee needs than some for-profit corporations.

driven
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Tax advantages
driven   8/21/2011 7:59:14 PM
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I'm not an accountant, so I wonder: is there some kind of tax advantage in taking a $1 salary and the bulk of the compensation in other forms?

Scott Raynovich
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Exactly right
Scott Raynovich   8/22/2011 11:23:44 AM
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You're exactly right, Michael. I always thought the $1 salary was a cheap PR ploy when in fact most public CEO's derive most of their compensation with cheap stock options -- which buy the way can be taxed at a lower capital gains rate of 15% if structured a certain way.

John Chambers, CEO of Cisco, is a great example. He sold more than $100M in stock in 2010 while his Cisco shares went DOWN.

--Scott

icebreaker1975
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I agree
icebreaker1975   8/22/2011 4:18:32 PM
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CEO's are flaunting their "$1 salalries" but aren't letting the public nor their employees in on the fact that they are being compensated in various other ways that allow them o still make millions of dollars...transparency, yeah right!



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