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Our Portfolios' Sorry States of Affairs

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Noreen Seebacher
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Nice one
Noreen Seebacher   6/18/2012 6:08:33 PM
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Thanks for all your insights Michael!

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Social media for B2C
PredictableChaos   6/18/2012 6:42:05 PM
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Social media can present a real challenge for businesses that sell to consumers.  Mostly seems like a new way for complaints to get broadcast everywhere - including baseless complaints.

Hadn't come across the Sainsbury example and I like it. Shows how humer and humility never go out of style.

Thanks Michael!

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yalanand   6/18/2012 11:09:02 PM
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Social media can present a real challenge for businesses that sell to consumers.  

@PredictableChaos, yes you are right, social media does present a real challenge but then it provides all the companies a better platform to connect with its customers. It gives all the companies a chance to solve the compalints of the customers real quick.

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yalanand   6/18/2012 11:06:40 PM
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Sainsbury's has a strategy in place to respond to feedback that permeates all of its consumer functions -- good or bad.

@Michael, thanks for the post. I am really impressed with the sainsbury's responses to the customer complaints because it's always a good thing to see a company share a bit of personality and a sense of humor.

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Value Hiker   6/19/2012 12:46:55 AM
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Personally I feel Sansbury's joke is dry, even a little  sarcastic indeed.  I doubt it will really win the heart of your custom with this kind of quip. 

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Value Hiker   6/19/2012 12:46:56 AM
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Personally I feel Sansbury's joke is dry, even a little  sarcastic indeed.  I doubt it will really win the heart of your custom with this kind of quip. 

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yalanand   6/19/2012 7:06:49 AM
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I doubt it will really win the heart of your custom with this kind of quip. 

@Value Hiker, why do you think this will not help the company to win the heart customers. All that the company is doing is trying to reply to the feedbacks of its customers.  

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Value Hiker   6/19/2012 12:29:58 PM
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If the company doesn't want to keep (maybe win more) customers, I don't know why the company want to spend money and time on the social media in the first palce. 

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TelecomFreq   6/19/2012 1:25:36 PM
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I think a lot of companies are seeing social media as a space they need to be in to stay relivent, some are doing it the right way, but many are not.

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Michael Shmarak   6/19/2012 3:36:48 PM
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Hi there.

 

The point that I was hoping would also be apparent has NOTHING to do with social media.  It has EVERYTHING to do with ethics.

Social media is a tactic.  Being in the PR business, I am so amazed at how many people think social media fixes things; it merely facilitates.  At the end of the day, we need to think about the decisions that are being made about what we say, how we say and where we say it. 

Where these apologies succeed or fail has to do with the CHOICE that each company made before they got to this point.  People don't think about the ramifications of their words.  On the flip side, people will scrutinize their investments beyond the purchase and think about where it fits in their portfolio.

THAT is a sorry state of affairs.

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yalanand   6/23/2012 1:14:03 AM
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 I am so amazed at how many people think social media fixes things; it merely facilitates.

@Michael,  I totally agree with your point. Social media just facilitates things. But I am not sure why companies  think social media is the solution to all the problems they face.  I think companies will slowly learn that social media has too some limitation.

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Michael Shmarak   6/19/2012 3:41:24 PM
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@Value Hiker, I would invite you to look up this company online and on Twitter and look at their trends.  Then tell me that humor hasn't made a difference.  It takes a very bold company to make fun of itself the right way.  These guys get it.

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Value Hiker   6/20/2012 3:46:51 PM
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@Michael, don't get me wrong. I enjoy the humor, especially good one.  Most likely, it is my problem because i saw other people in this forum loved the comany's humorous comments

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Michael Shmarak   6/21/2012 11:03:18 AM
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You're not wrong at all.  Some people don't think humor fits. Witness Groupon and their Super Bowl ads.  Think they thought it was funny when they had to recant the ads with the mud on their face?

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ProfR   6/19/2012 8:16:02 AM
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This also points out why many businesses use professional PR firms. It is very difficult to get your point across in the best light - especially if the news is bad. Having a professional help here may be the key to getting the message right.

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TelecomFreq   6/19/2012 10:58:59 AM
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I think that having a PR pro on board to take care of spin is always a good idea. Its all too often we say something then think DOH! what did I just say, that is supposed to be what PR people take care of.

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Michael Shmarak   6/19/2012 3:39:22 PM
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Being a part of a PR firm, I am always on the lookout for good clients, but I will NEVER spin things, nor will any of my colleagues. 

We PR counselors tell the truth more often than you think.  What we do is help clients think about their communications before they implement them.  Makes a world of difference.

After all, our reputation is at stake just as much as our clients, no?

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TelecomFreq   6/19/2012 4:16:57 PM
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Michael,

So, if in PR you are only helping your clients communicate the truth the best way they can, wouldnt that be considered spin?

Maybe I am thinking of spin in a different context, am I off base here?

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Michael Shmarak   6/19/2012 4:22:10 PM
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A couple of ways to answer this.

Simple way: 

If I am spinning the truth, then I am lying.  PR is not lying. 

Reality way:

We help clients guide their way so they can tell the truth.  When people ask us, "Can you spin this for us?" it tells me that they have something to hide.  If a client has a skeleton in his closet, people will find them; media will find them; customers will find them.  We want clients to expose things and be real about them because the truth hurts.

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TelecomFreq   6/19/2012 10:23:35 PM
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Michael, Thanks for putting that out there, at the very least it gives a more clear view of the PR function, I had always thought of it as spin.

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ProfR   6/20/2012 9:29:12 AM
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Yes, this is a good way to explain what a PR firm does to help their customers.

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TelecomFreq   6/20/2012 1:56:48 PM
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So, if PR is not spin, it's communication, where does the spin come from? Marketing? I want to know who to blame next time a company gives me a bad case of vertigo... LoL

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PredictableChaos   6/21/2012 11:00:57 AM
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Agree 100%.

Honesty is the best policy for several reasons.  One is  - being honest means you don't have to keep track of what lies you told to whom.

PC

 

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Michael Shmarak   6/21/2012 11:02:29 AM
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Amen,

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PredictableChaos   6/21/2012 11:47:19 AM
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One can tell the truth while putting things in the best light.

As an example - A fast food restaurant should provide nutritional information and have some healthy offerings. 

Still, they know the truth - most customers shouln't be eating some of their popular items three times a day because it's just not healthy.  They don't deny this, but they also don't have to emphasize the fact with their advertising spend, right?

PC

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Michael Shmarak   6/21/2012 12:36:17 PM
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and THAT, my friend, is why we wrote this column initially--it is all about ethics and decision making.  What some people see as truth is merely opinion or how they seek to manage conflict.

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TelecomFreq   6/21/2012 1:30:47 PM
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Michael,

If someone is seeing opinion as truth, do you think that is more offten a case of them chosing to see it that way or the opinion being "spun" as truth in the media?

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Michael Shmarak   6/21/2012 6:06:33 PM
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Welcome to our world!

If I could count the number of times that clients and media each said they reported or spoke the truth--but ended up saying things differently than they really happened--I would be a rich man. 

An opinion is like a nose--everyone has one, some just honk louder than others.  Sometimes it's a matter of speaking the truth so people form opinions.  Sometimes it's a matter of speaking your truth louder than someone else's voice.  In our line of work, this is a common debate--no matter what the real truth is. 

Some media outlets choose to hear the louder voice; some like to hear all sides of a story.  It gets messy when people start saying "no comment" and don't let their truth come out.  I can point to several crisis situations where the truth--the real one--came too late, thereby giving the other parties involved more credibility.

Does this make sense?  If you wish, I can bring it back to home if you want to talk about your own company or another situation.  Your call.  Tweet me at @shmaraksmpr if you're up to it.

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TelecomFreq   6/21/2012 1:29:11 PM
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PC,

It might not be healthy, but it can sure be tasty. and it does come down to choice, the truth about the nutriion or lack their off is right on the menue.

But at the end of the day, it might just be easier to look past truth, even if right there in front of you to see.

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TelecomFreq   6/21/2012 11:25:27 AM
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Its easy to say honesty is the best policy but im sure a lot of companies would enver want to be be 100% honest.

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yalanand   6/23/2012 1:23:20 AM
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Its easy to say honesty is the best policy but im sure a lot of companies would never want to be be 100% honest.

@Telecomfreq, I agree with you. But then companies should realise that being honest is the best policy to attract customers. Many customer prefer those companies who are honest in their dealings. 

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yalanand   6/23/2012 1:35:11 AM
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After all, our reputation is at stake just as much as our clients, no?

@Michael, do you think reputation of PR firm will take hit for the mistake of its customers ?

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Michael Shmarak   6/25/2012 8:57:11 AM
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I am sure there have been some spitballs thrown at the firm. Not a fun thing in our business to admit you stunk it up...

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tokyogai   6/26/2012 9:21:54 AM
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Agreed. It is hard top avoid the stink.

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Michael Shmarak   6/19/2012 3:40:01 PM
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Can I get an AMEN from the choir?

 

"AMEN!"

 

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Speaking of humor
PredictableChaos   6/21/2012 4:50:33 PM
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Groucho Marx agrees with this thread -

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.



PC

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Re: Speaking of humor
Michael Shmarak   6/21/2012 5:38:48 PM
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Did Groucho ever get in PR?  He knows how to act, so I guess that's part of the game.



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