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philtheinvestor
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Re: The best thing that could happen to Republicans...
philtheinvestor   1/14/2012 5:30:46 PM
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I'm saying that HUNTSman may not be too appealing a name for a President at this time. If there was someone to hunt down & defense was a pressing issue, it might make an interesting tagline but nowadays people want the economy to bounce back.

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cat tail   1/11/2012 1:36:30 AM
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Phil, what are you saying? You lost me at "maybe"

philtheinvestor
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philtheinvestor   1/10/2012 6:19:47 PM
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Maybe the last name isn't fit for the times...

Fred Goodman
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Fred Goodman   1/10/2012 1:20:49 AM
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There were over 250 government failures studied in researching the book. I'm certain that war played a role in producing the debt in some of them and was the result in others. In Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain war has at most played a small role in bringing them to the brink.

The point to take away though is that however it was created, too much debt resulted in the failures. It led to debasement of the currency in all cases, to runaway inflation in some and in a few it marked the end of the government and the sacking of its cities.

In our case you may agree that regardless of how we got here we are here and we must do something about it or suffer the consequences.

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Okay, you don't like the word "disassemble," I'm easy, change it to "sharply reduce" and don't forget to add the released personnel into the unemployed.

Ted Faraone
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Ted Faraone   1/9/2012 11:28:32 PM
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Bernanke's response to the banking crisis was monetary, not Keynesian.  Lord Keynes did, however, expose the flaw in classical economic theory known as the liquidity trap. Lord Keynes' greatest influence was that governments need to act counter-cyclically in fiscal policy (taxation and spending) in order to smooth the business cycle and avert depression.

That's what happens when the demand for money and credit is so reduced that pouring vast amounts of it into an economy has no effect on output or prices.  Bernanke is well aware of the limits of monetary policy.  Fortunately we have not yet reached those limits, and the Fed is a very powerful institution.

If anything, Bernanke is following the ideas of Professor Milton Friedman. 

Most economic thinking nowadays is a synthesis of classical economics and Keynesian theory. 

If you are interested in how the crisis of October 2008 could have played out without prompt action by the Fed, I'd suggest reading the chapter called "The Great Contraction" in Professor Friedman's "Monetary History of the United States."

Now, the Fed controls the monetary base.  Money, itself, is created by the fractional reserve banking system which exists almost all over the world nowadays.  The Fed can expand the monetary base by buying assets and it can contract the base by selling them.  The money supply may actually contract despite the Fed's effort to increase the monetary base.  It's a bit like rows of dominoes falling one after another.  Once it gets started in earnest, it takes herculean effort to stop it, much less turn it around.  The Fed can also lower the discount rate it charges borrowers and it has control over the "Fed Funds" rate.  Those rates can be raised to choke off inflation and they can be lowered in a liquidity crisis.

The Fed has nothing to do with fiscal policy (which was Keynes' forte) under the law.  It can only advise if asked by congress.  The law requires the Fed to use its monetary power to promote both price stability and full employment. 

It should also be remembered with regard to inflation that if it rears its ugly head, the Fed can take measures to counter it by contracting the monetary base.

As for currencies, we now live in a world of mostly floating exchange rates.  Currencies will respond to market forces, primarily interest rates set by central banks.  The major exception is China which pegs the Yuan to the US Dollar.  It would probably be to the benefit of the Chinese government to float the Yuan.  Pegging it needlessly constrains their freedom of action in managing their own economy.  The Euro has moved down lately in relation to the Dollar because the European Central Bank had to lower the interest rates it charges in response to the banking crisis there.  

My fear is that the Germans will force the ECB to sit on its hands, and by doing next to nothing it will push the Euro Zone into a depression that will hurt the rest of the world.

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Broadway   1/9/2012 10:44:44 PM
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Fred, a good book, I'm sure, but from what I've gathered, Rogoff and Reinhart fail to answer the question: which came first, the chicken or the egg. In other words, did countries go into these debt spirals and then run off to war, political unrest, etc....or was there threat of war and political unrest beforehand that led to excessive risk taking and debt build-up?

And by the way, it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that Democrats are out to dismantle the military, just as much as it is an exaggeration to say that Ron Paul wants to set the clock back to 1776.)

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Fred Goodman   1/9/2012 12:14:40 PM
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In a nutshell, Reinhart and Rogoff conclude as in the following paraphrase:

The first thing one must do when finding him- or herself in a hole is to stop digging.

However, here is a quotation from the last page:

"The lesson of history, then, is that even as institutions and policy makers improve, there will always be a temptation to stretch the limits. Just as an individual can go bankrupt no matter how rich she starts out, a financial system can collapse under the pressure of greed, politics, and profits no matter how well regulated it seems to be."

I think that pretty well sums it up since all three are present in spades at the current moment.

The book is very widely quoted and is worth the read to fully grasp the magnitude of the problem we face This Time Is Different, by Reinhart and Rogoff

 

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Scott Raynovich   1/9/2012 12:00:47 PM
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Ted,

I'm well-aware of all the analogies of Ben Bernanke the Depression fighter which they publish in Time magazine every month. But the fact is that Ben Bernanke is an academic, and in the end he can't control the market. Markets run markets.

The problem with the Keynesian view that the government must "rescue" markets is that there are always unintended consequences. The government always thinks they "have things under control -- until they don't. Take a look at the Greenspan solution in 2001-2002. It created a bigger mess.

I am a pragmatist and I like commons sense. I do not have a PhD from Princeton, but I do know that creating more debt to fight the greatest debt bubble in history is not a solution. I am not smart enough to known whether deflation will end any time soon and inflation will start soon, but I do know that the current regime we are in is one of global central banks fighting "currency wars" by competitive devaluation. Currency trade is a zero-sum game, you are moving digital money around the world, and you cannot know the consequences. It has had the effect of making markets more volatile and unstable, rather than the reverse.

The recent multi-trillion dollar currency swap will eventually have inflationary impact. Ben Bernanke thinks he has things under control -- until he doesn't. Look at what happened to Europe. Interest rates suddenly spiked on debt concerns. With the USA now approaching historic debt levels in excess of 100% of GDP, the situation here is not getting any better. There is nothing to say that our Treasury bond rates can't suddenly spike and cause all sorts of chaos. This can happen literally overnight.  So far they haven't, but I think that's a factor of the US  being the last reserve currency on earth. Quite a privilege, but how long will markets grant us that privilege? What happens when that suddenly reverses? The fact of the matter is we can't possible know what the markets will do. I would like to see more of this hubris in our government, rather than the all-knowing people in ivory towers thinking they can solve all problems by printing money.

Print money they will. That is seen as the only solution. It will probably be the way forward.

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Scott Raynovich   1/9/2012 11:50:30 AM
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"Money does not have to come from somewhere.  That is a myth. Money is a unit of account."

Ha! I will try that line on my wife... 

It does come from somewhere. It comes from the taxpayers. If there were no taxpayers supplying money, the U.S. government would not exist. If the U.S. government issues more money, it is exactly like shares of stock in a corporation, value in the currency is diluted.

Scott Raynovich
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Scott Raynovich   1/9/2012 11:47:52 AM
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Fred,

I've read a lot about Rogoff and Reinhart but haven't read their books yet. I'm wondering what you think of their proposed solutions ot the economic crisis.

--Scott

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