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driven
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Re: Manufacturing Index
driven   2/4/2012 4:30:15 PM
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Interesting to see energy companies specifically noted there. Really supports the earlier comments in this thread.

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Re: Manufacturing Index
Noreen Seebacher   2/3/2012 10:52:19 PM
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This is related. Analysts see evidence of recovery for the office sector in many markets. They expect technology and energy companies to boost office real estate the most.

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Re: Manufacturing Index
Scott Raynovich   2/3/2012 6:32:46 PM
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Let's hope that's the goal. This all looks much better on paper than it smells like in real life. I've seen the wastewater pools of the man camps North Dakota!  scary stuff!

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Manufacturing Index
Noreen Seebacher   2/3/2012 1:50:05 PM
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Target Logistics just installed a wastewater treatment facility at its Tioga Lodge, which is capable of handling not only the waste from the 1200 room facility but others in the area as well. The treated water is suitable for fracking, But oddly enough the state of ND prefers the companies to use municipal water rather than the recycled water. I suspect it has to do with leveraging the use of the water to get the energy companies to fund improvements at the municipal water plants -- improvements that will remain when the boom is over.

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Re: Manufacturing Index
Scott Raynovich   2/3/2012 1:01:04 PM
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2,500 melord that is huge.

I have been to these things, and trust me, it sounds a lot more interesting if you are an investor or writing about it from thousands of miles a way... I'd prefer not to live in one!

These man camps are going to have all sorts of issues in the future -- the most glaring ones were already becoming apparent -- sewage and water.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Manufacturing Index
Noreen Seebacher   2/3/2012 12:56:55 PM
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The man camps are booming in ND, Two of the big players are Target Logistics and Capital Oilfield Services. Capital just opened a 2,500-person camp in Tioga, across the highway from Target Logistics 1,200-person camp.

Keep in mind that the population of Tioga in the 2010 census was 1,230. The  man-camps have increased population 300%!

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Scott Raynovich   2/3/2012 12:43:20 PM
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Re: Manufacturing Index
Scott Raynovich   2/2/2012 2:21:33 PM
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Well I'm hopeful and bullish on N.D. ... hoping all those oil magnates come to buy ski/vacation homes in SouthWestern Montana, boosting our economy and home values.

By the way my trailer magnate and his partners are doing very well on the trailer camps I wrote about on this site a while back. The second large parcel is up and running and apparently the oil companies lease them as soon as they are ready.

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Re: Manufacturing Index
back2basicz   2/2/2012 1:55:09 PM
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Noreen,

Who was it who said that Entrepreneurs are most optimistic at the Top and most Pessimistic at the Bottom of the Economic Cycle?

Here's another viewpoint which talks about the impact of feelings on economic cycles and Animal Spirits in Capitalism.

http://www.economist.com/node/21543552

That is primarily why I am very cautious about these surveys and their direction & numbers.

Ashish.

 

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Re: Manufacturing Index
Noreen Seebacher   2/2/2012 1:01:01 PM
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Part of the issue is that it's speculative, based on the opinions (feelings?) of those surveyed. That's why I think it's more realistic to use it as a way to monitor trends than precise numbers.

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