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Will the Real Rupert Please Stand Up?

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Street Smart
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Let Preet Bharara Have at Him!
Street Smart   4/27/2012 1:06:18 PM
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I predict they'll end up getting Rupert on perjury charges if nothing else sticks.  Or he'll win the criminal case and be taken to the cleaners in a civil suit by shareholders.

We need Preet Bharara, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District to have at him.  That would wipe the smile off Rupert's face!

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Let Preet Bharara Have at Him!
Scott Raynovich   4/27/2012 2:16:39 PM
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My question is what has the Street priced in? Remember stock prices are never about the actual news, they are about how the market reacts to the news. The market appears to have digested this scandal and is moving on to the next thing.

The scenarios are such:

1) If things got really bad and a bunch of Murdochs had to go to jail and/or relinquish their role, maybe the company is a deal anyway and has priced this in.

2) Status quo -- more ugly newspaper headlines, investigations. But little of substances happens. Company limps along. It's not like it's losing money.

3) Big change in ownership/control. This could actually unlock a lot of value. For example, imagine the company being broken up and sold for pieces.

When I look at the stock chart and you asked me if any significant news happened, I would have to say no. It has traded in a range of $14-$20 for the last two years! Bottom line is: Market doesn't yet know what this means, or has figured out it means very little to the stock price.

mInvestor
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Re: Let Preet Bharara Have at Him!
mInvestor   4/29/2012 1:11:56 AM
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@Scott,

That would be my interpretation as well. Meanwhile, Fred asked a valid question: why Pinch and his New York Times are down 22% over the same period. Sometimes the market is mysterious.




Phoenix
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Re: Let Preet Bharara Have at Him!
Phoenix   4/29/2012 8:22:29 PM
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I agree mInvestor. It is hard to tell what will happen next. But I believe Scott's take on the stock is right. People have now got used to how quickly things change and it takes a lot more to shock them.

tokyogai
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Re: Let Preet Bharara Have at Him!
tokyogai   4/30/2012 8:45:24 AM
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Scott- I agree completely. Maybe de-throning Rupert would be very good for the shareholders. The fact that the news has not had a big negative effect would seem to mean that many shareholders feel the same way. No matter how you look at it, it seems the empire is showing some signs of crumbling.

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Re: Let Preet Bharara Have at Him!
AskAsa   4/29/2012 8:04:55 PM
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I agree.

As we have seen so often its not the crime - its the cover up.

Perjury will do in the bunch of them.

PredictableChaos
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The transition to online
PredictableChaos   4/27/2012 6:56:20 PM
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Agree with Scott - isn't this already priced-in?

If I were a stockholder of News Corp. (NYSE: NWS), my biggest question would be about the transition to online.  Print is dying.  Traditional, real-time TV is losing ground to new media like DVR, X-box, etc.  Most of these alternatives make it easier to skip the ads.

Instead of talking about 1972, I would want to know more about what went wrong with MySpace; which News Corp sold last year for just $35 Million.  News Corp owns a lot of content.  How are they getting it online in ways and formats that people enjoy and are willing to pay for?

PC

Fred Goodman
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Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Fred Goodman   4/28/2012 11:03:42 PM
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Well Marvin, rather than wondering why poor Rupert's stock is up 10%, why not wonder about poor Pinch and his New York Times which is down 22% over the same period? Maybe Rupert knows something Pinch doesn't.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Noreen Seebacher   4/29/2012 12:14:26 AM
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All I can says that i hope not, for the sake of journalism!

Fred Goodman
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Fred Goodman   4/29/2012 2:34:48 AM
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For the sake of journalism the New York Times has contributed:

Zachery Kouwe

Jayson Blair

and a host of articles complaining about how Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin is taking away the pensions of the unionized workers, while at the same time acting to take away the pensions of the New York Times unionized workers. A tad hypocritical I would say.

Watch it here


 

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Noreen Seebacher   4/29/2012 8:54:39 AM
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Zachery and jayson were frauds, but as far as I know they were not part of a management sanctioned illegal scheme. My Guess on the nyt is that it has priced itself out of too many subscribers. It is an investment to get the nyt 7 days a week. If someone wants a less expensive and frankly more entertaining option they will subscribe to the ny News or the Ny Post.

Fred Goodman
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Fred Goodman   4/29/2012 6:58:12 PM
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@Noreen, you said "Zachery and jayson were frauds, but as far as I know they were not part of a management sanctioned illegal scheme."

 

After Zachery "resigned" from the NYT he was terminated two months into his next job. Apparently he was not vetted by the Times because he fit their corporate culture and mindset, the same was true of Jayson. The NYT has an agenda and publishes only the news that fits it (to modify their mission statement of 1896, as has been done many times since Rolling Stone did it in 1969.)

One does not have to lie, as they did, to give the public the wrong impression. Simply leaving out some stories while emphasizing others is just as effective.

Here's an example of their reporting. If you Google: "Nidal Hasan" you get 400 thousand results for the 2-1/2 year-old Fort Hood Massacre, but if you Google: "Robert Bales" you get 1.9 million results, and the killing of 16 Afghans happened just 6 weeks ago.

Why the difference? Well, in my opinion the difference is the reason so many people have dropped their subscriptions to the Times.

I expect one thing from a newspaper -- facts. Sure, I value their opinions and interpretations when they are labeled as such and appear in the editorial pages, but I don't need the selective omissions and emphasis to fit their agendas and help one or the other political party.

 

You also said. "My Guess on the nyt is that it has priced itself out of too many subscribers. It is an investment to get the nyt 7 days a week. If someone wants a less expensive and frankly more entertaining option they will subscribe to the ny News or the Ny Post."

 

If I want entertainment I can go to the movies, read a novel or watch TV. I can even go to a "news" magazine with a known bias. I don't need a newspaper to entertain me in its news section. If they want to include entertaining stories elsewhere in the paper, fine, but if I want the facts I want just the facts and will go to Drudge for them.

 

mInvestor
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
mInvestor   4/30/2012 12:37:28 PM
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@Fred,

That's exactly what I think, newspaper shall just report news. But I know lots of people just want to read gossip news for entertainment. Since there are customers (and probably many), they print papers to entertain customers to make money. What can we do?

 

Fred Goodman
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Fred Goodman   4/30/2012 1:01:43 PM
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@minvester

they print papers to entertain customers to make money. What can we do?

 

We can do exactly what we are doing, stop reading them and get our news from a variety of web sources. I look eagerly for the demise of those that simply have axes to grind and agendas to support. But I don't confine that wish to the newspapers alone. I will be happy to say good bye to the network news outlets, and to AP and Reuters. There is no place for agenda-driven selective reporting. Let's leave that to identified sources of opinion, like James Carville and Mary Matalin. When either of them gives an opinion we know it is just that.


Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Noreen Seebacher   4/30/2012 1:44:18 PM
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I think there is a role for entertainment -- sports, food, movie reviews, even celebrity sightings -- in a general interest newspaper. Life is not one dimensional, and a lot of people enjoy breaking up the heavy hitting articles with a recap of a ballgame or looking at pictures from an award show.

 

Fred Goodman
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
Fred Goodman   4/30/2012 2:30:33 PM
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I agree that there is room for entertainment in a newspaper. As a matter of fact I think newspapers should limit their efforts to providing it and leave the news to those willing to provide honest coverage.

Where I draw the line is that I expect a review of a movie to be opinion but I do not expect a report on the first page about the Fort Hood Massacre to be colored by a reporter's opinion of its significance.

If a reporter wants to editorialize let it appear labled as such. The same is true of the omission of coverage of Fort Hood altogether because the paper thinks it is not as important as the massacre of innocents in Afghanistan.

None of this would be as irritating if it were not for the fact that journalists appear to have an exalted impression of their importance because of the words about them in the constitution, the very document they trash when it is of value to them to do so.

I don't care whether it is Murdock or Sulzberger, there is sactimony dripping from every pore. And while we're on the subject of Murdock, it would be nice if the Department of Justice would spend as much time on the prosecution of the Fort Hood case as they are spending chasing around the world after Murdock.

But then the DOJ is selective in their persecutions. They are just as happy defending the rights of unidentified people to vote as they are happy to ignore bands of people grouping on the steps of a voting venue to intimidate voters.

But let's continue to be selective in our outrage. BTW, do you have a thought about the reason behind the zealous persecution of Murdock by the DOJ? And, why did they remain silent when NBC aired an edited telephone call in the Trayvon Martin case?

None of this is to suggest there is no reason to be outraged at Murdock, it is the selective outrage that outrages me.

mInvestor
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Re: Poor Rupert, stock up 10% year-to-date
mInvestor   4/30/2012 8:37:10 PM
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@Fred,

You are right. Let's leave it to those people.

Ted Faraone
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Ted Faraone   4/30/2012 11:33:00 AM
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Without Rupert running the show. NewsCorp stock would be a lot higher.  Shareholder value enhancement has never been at the top of his "to-do" list.  Instead, he has used OPM (other people's money) via separate classes of stock to enlarge his business. 

As an investor, one looks at the facts and makes a choice.  Those who bought NWS thinking that it would be a growth stock should have taken a closer look.  Those who bought it for emotional or political reasons or just for fun got what they paid for.

The trick for Rupert and those who follow him will be to change the culture of the company from poker player to chess player and institute modern management practices with an eye toward avoiding dilution of the common stock and toward making the company successful after Mother Nature has her way with its leader.

PredictableChaos
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Newspaper subscription trends
PredictableChaos   4/30/2012 2:42:08 PM
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This chart confirms Fred's statements about many NYT subscribers who are finding other ways to get their news.

From an investing viewpoint, I notice the WSJ (a News Corp paper) is doing much better.

 

Newspaper Circulation trends

 

Attribution - This Atlantic article which I've cited here before in the user blogs.

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Newspaper subscription trends
Scott Raynovich   4/30/2012 3:26:03 PM
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hm, I'm not quite sure why the WSJ gets to include digital subscriptions but the NYT doesn't? Or does the NYT also include online subs. This part is confusing.

Fred Goodman
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Re: Newspaper subscription trends
Fred Goodman   4/30/2012 3:46:40 PM
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According to http://stateofthemedia.org/2011/newspapers-essay/data-page-6/

online revenues in 2010 were 12% of the total. So, if you subtract 12% from the total reported by WSJ you will put them back where they were in 2002 in distinction to the other papers in the survey which fell like bombs because of their obvious and well deserved distrust by the public.

mInvestor
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Re: Newspaper subscription trends
mInvestor   4/30/2012 8:43:01 PM
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Nice chart thank to PredicableChaos. And nice thinking, Fred. Hm, 12% from online revenue. Wondering if that percentage is going to get bigger.

 



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