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Digging Into Unethical Corporate Behavior

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Value Hiker
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You can never cut a good deal with a bad guy
Value Hiker   5/4/2012 12:24:36 PM
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Both Warren Buffett and Philip Fisher warned investor to check the integrity of management team before any investment. Investors shall stay away from the company with suspious business practice. In general, investors may miss some opportunity, but it will protect investors from ruining their portfolio totally. 

Street Smart
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Accountants as Enablers
Street Smart   5/4/2012 3:18:50 PM
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Unfortunately, one of the big problems investors face are "audited" financials that turn out to be totally bogus.  The C-suite doesn't seem to have a premium on financial psychopathology.  There seem be plenty of accountants who willingly play along.

PredictableChaos
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Re: Accountants as Enablers
PredictableChaos   5/4/2012 4:08:51 PM
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@Street Smart - You nailed it. 

Some managers have been dishonest theives since the beginning of business.  What was new with Enron was that the "independent" auditors (who were only there to protect us) turned out to be in cahoots with the bad guys.

For the markets to work, we need a certain level of trust in the financial data.

tokyogai
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Reflection of society?
tokyogai   5/5/2012 9:55:20 AM
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Maybe this lack of ethics is just a reflection of the loss of these values in our society in general. The executives all live in our world and maybe they got the message somewhere along the line that this type of behavior was OK. Maybe we need a little more oversight and harsher penalties to reverse the trend.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Reflection of society?
Noreen Seebacher   5/5/2012 11:13:45 AM
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So how did we get here? Who is failing to rear kids with values? Is it the parents? Schools? Relaxed rules in churches and the like?

tokyogai
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Re: Reflection of society?
tokyogai   5/5/2012 11:47:21 AM
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I think maybe our lifestyle is to blame. Jobs are out of the home and quite often both parents work. Everything is a riush as there isn't time to get it all done. Life is nowhere near as simple as it used to be. We commuinicate in distant ways ( phone, e-mail, social networking , etc) instead of face to face. In some ways we are more efficient and in other ways we seem to be losing values.

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Re: Reflection of society?
AskAsa   5/5/2012 3:14:52 PM
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Ethics and rules are largely situational. What's needed is a stronger moral compass that guides a person to do the right thing regardless of whether or not they'll be caught. Integrity is the ability to stand for something.

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Re: You can never cut a good deal with a bad guy
philtheinvestor   5/6/2012 4:26:43 PM
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Value Hiker,

If there's no public demonstration of corporate misbehavior, how is an investor to know about the potential skeletons in the closet, BEFORE investing?

Scott Raynovich
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Re: You can never cut a good deal with a bad guy
Scott Raynovich   5/6/2012 11:23:17 PM
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Phil,

I believe there are actually a lot of red flags at companies run by disengenous executives. Here are some common ones

1) Overly promotional statements and cheerleading.

2) Defensiveness and threatening behavior in response to criticism.

3) Suspicious revenue/profit activities. in quarterly earnings.

Here's a good summary of common accounting red flags. By the way most of these were present with both Worldcome/Enron:

http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/27/0227wayman.html

PredictableChaos
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Re: Reflection of society?
PredictableChaos   5/6/2012 11:38:11 PM
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Good question @Noreen.

The causes are many, but it does seem we've lost something that our parents or grandparents had.  For most Americans today, the definition of right and wrong will have some connection to what you can get away with.  (So, as one example, if you can get away with certain entries on your tax forms, that makes it okay.)

Even a touch of thiis attitude in senoir managment becomes a very dangerous thing, as they will have a lot of control, and usually an above average amount of charm, too.

 

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