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How to Save the Euro

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yalanand
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Re: euro on thin ice.
yalanand   12/6/2011 6:33:41 AM
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It's hard for me to believe the euro can be saved. Unemployment at recession levels and govts can't pay debt.

@Bullseye, I  agree with you  its hard to save the euro. Even S&P has warned that  it could downgrade the credit-worthiness of 15 countries in the eurozone if leaders cannot agree a credible plan to solve the sovereign-debt crisis at their summit this week. It would be interesting to see what will be the outcome of the 9th Decemeber meet.

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Re: euro on thin ice.
PredictableChaos   12/5/2011 10:13:49 PM
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Scott - you've got it exactly right.  The EU is an bunch of unelected bureaucrats that fights with sovereign states for control over fiscal policy, etc.

Remember how the market optimism for one of the austerity programs plummeted when the leader of Greece proposed to subject it to a referendum?  Everyone knew the EU policy was opposed by the majority of Greek voters.  Not good for the future of the EU.

There are limits to how much control member democracies will cede to the EU and it seems like the soverign debt issues have put us close to the edge.

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Re: euro on thin ice.
Scott Raynovich   12/5/2011 11:37:04 AM
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It seems to me that the current situation -- wherein a bureaucratic political organization fights over whether can have control over fiscal issues in sovereign states -- is proof enough that the concept of a currency union with no central sovereign political control is a flawed concept to begin with.

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euro on thin ice.
Bullseye   12/2/2011 6:10:21 PM
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I agree with you. It's hard for me to believe the euro can be saved. Unemployment at recession levels and govts can't pay debt. Where are the tax revenues going to come from? Consumers are tapped out and very upset. I say let the markets play itself out.

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Re: Self fulfilling prophecy?
Heinrich Coup-de-Suite   12/2/2011 1:12:04 PM
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The concern about the break-up is brought on by a recognition that the consequences are very difficult to predict and plan for.  It is known that banks are in for a shock if the value of their foreign assets declines sharply.  Disappearance of the Euro would also likely complicate international finance to a prohibitive extent, due to all the contracts that have been denominated in Euros over the years.

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Street Smart   12/2/2011 11:25:02 AM
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Really nice analysis, @Axel!  You mention that the Europeans are waiting for China to ride in on a white horse and save the Euro, but I'm wondering what China's "game" is in all of this, both overtly and covertly.

I would think that some of these yields would start to look pretty attractive in the 8% range and above--IF the underlying sovereign entities are creditworthy for the long haul.

Is China really being as hands-off as it looks, or being completely opportunistic and Machiavellian behind the scenes? 

PredictableChaos
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Re: How to Save the US Dollar
PredictableChaos   12/2/2011 9:24:35 AM
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@yelanand

In short, I'm worried about the USD because the way US Central Bankers are adding money looks something like what the Wiemar Republic did prior to theri trouble with hyperinflation. 

The markets are going up recently because of another $600B of funds the the central bankers have added to the system.  This is part of a longer term trend which Scott has shown in his charts of ever-increasing M1 supply.

In the short term, much of the money is absorbed by banks who are leary of extending credit at the moment.  They won't hold cash forever.  Eventually the new money will get into circulation and we'll have more dollars chasing the same goods.  This will mean a weaker dollar and more inflation than most of us have ever seen.

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Re: Self fulfilling prophecy?
driven   12/2/2011 8:47:39 AM
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Wait, do you mean if we all believe that we can make it come true through the power of our collective consciousness?

 

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Self fulfilling prophecy?
tokyogai   12/2/2011 8:43:39 AM
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Making all the news about plans to dump the Euro and all the articles about the impact of killing the euro have as much to dowith the possible demise as any other factor. Talking about future possibilities sometimes makes them happen.

yalanand
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Re: How to Save the US Dollar
yalanand   12/2/2011 6:22:55 AM
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Maybe your next blog could be about How to save the US Dollar.

@PredictableChaos  why do you want save the US dollor when dollor is outperforming over to other currencies ?


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