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The Move to Stop SOPA

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Political Idiocy Dot Com
Street Smart   1/16/2012 1:11:15 PM
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I would expect that congressional Republicans would take a wrongheaded position on SOPA.  After all, they're probably just jealous that it was a Democrat in the person of Al Gore who "invented" the Internet, lol!

But it sounds like even the Republicans can't agree on the issue!  Ironic, too, that it's a congressman from California who's poking holes in the bill (since Hollywood is a big, if not the only beneficiary of anti-piracy legislation) and a Texan who's sponsoring the legislation.

WHO elects these people?

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Re: Political Idiocy Dot Com
TelecomFreq   1/16/2012 1:45:07 PM
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I am happy that SOPA seems to be DOA right now, but im sure we will some some other form of this bill pop up in the near future.

 

 

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Re: Political Idiocy Dot Com
Scott Raynovich   1/16/2012 1:54:37 PM
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Whenever U.S. Congress tries to "understand" the Internet, you known there will be trouble...

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Re: Political Idiocy Dot Com
TelecomFreq   1/16/2012 1:58:51 PM
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That is a VERY valid point....

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Re: Political Idiocy Dot Com
Joey Naddeo   1/16/2012 2:26:04 PM
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Hollywood, in the form of the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has majorly supported SOPA, while Silicon Valley seems staunchly against it. The bill itself is receiving tons of Bipartisan support and opposition. 

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Now we're doomed
Noreen Seebacher   1/16/2012 2:44:37 PM
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What are we going to do now? I think this is the only source for 99% of things in America these days.


Wikipedia will shut down for 24 hours Wednesday to protest the Stop Online Piracy Act, founder Jimmy Wales announced on Monday. In doing so, Wikipedia joins a long list of web companies such as Reddit and Mozilla that are taking similar measures against the proposed legislation.


 

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Re: Now we're doomed
Scott Raynovich   1/16/2012 2:55:47 PM
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Speaking of things wrong with the Internet -- Wikipedia, where none of the information can be confirmed, the site is very susceptible to hacks, many pages fall out of date, with no centralized quality control system.Yet any lazy person can attribute facts to it.

 

 

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Re: Now we're doomed
Noreen Seebacher   1/16/2012 2:58:34 PM
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That's what I mean. It's used by 99% of people who quote things. Except us, of course.

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Re: Now we're doomed
Scott Raynovich   1/16/2012 3:14:06 PM
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yeah, exactly.

Joey Naddeo
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Re: Now we're doomed
Joey Naddeo   1/16/2012 3:15:34 PM
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According to the wikipedia page titled "reliability of wikipedia," wikipedia was found to be as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica...in 2005. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_of_Wikipedia#Comparative_studies

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Re: Now we're doomed
TelecomFreq   1/16/2012 3:27:33 PM
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HAHAHAHA, nice.

I would never quote wikipedia as a source, but I have found it to be a good starting point at times when doing research.

There is something to be said of the impact that colabrative computing has had on the free sharing of information.

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Re: Now we're doomed
Tenacious   1/16/2012 3:54:29 PM
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" Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write whatever they want about whatever subject, so you know that you are getting the best possible information. "

-Michael Scott

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Re: Now we're doomed
TelecomFreq   1/16/2012 4:11:17 PM
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I think it should be pointed out that Wikipedia does have checks and balances in place, it is a community driven site.

That being said, I would not count on it as a single source for infomation, but like I said, its a good starting point some times.

 

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Re: Now we're doomed
Value Hiker   1/16/2012 11:47:02 PM
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Based on my experience, WikiPedia provides the most unbiased opinions in many cases. Honda once had a wide spread transmission issue for its 5th generation (1999-2003) vechicles. Most professional websites (including Edmunds.com) and medias were silent about the issue for an extended period of time to save the ad revenue, even the issue was widely discussed in all auto forums. Wikipedia is the first website pointed out this issue, and helped a lot of consumers to make the smart choices. When money was involved, you just can't expect people to express their opinion unbiased.

Whenever you give this big companies some priviledges, they will abuse it some time later. One good example: the media company is granted to add the FBI copyright warning at a special segment of each DVD, which consumers can not skip. Later on, the media company added their new release trails to the same segment on the DVD, so consumers was forced to view the Ad before the start of the movie. The practice was stopped only by government's involvement.

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Re: Now we're doomed
Scott Raynovich   1/17/2012 8:41:12 AM
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You might be able to get some potentially factual information from Wikipedia, but you have to double-check it and you cannot rely on it as a single source. Also most of the information is derivative, quoted from somewhere else.

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SOPA Damages
tokyogai   1/17/2012 9:24:03 AM
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I agree that the fall out from SOPA may be worse than any benefit derived. It is like letting banks regulate cars because they are used very often in bank robberies. There are many more effective ways to combat priracy than to let an industry with a vested interest decide which websites we can use.

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Re: SOPA Damages
Noreen Seebacher   1/17/2012 9:42:27 AM
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Well said tokyogai!

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Re: SOPA Damages
cat tail   1/17/2012 9:51:32 AM
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SOPA makes me nervous because I lack any trust in government to offer reasonable regulation. We've been burned too many times before

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Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Street Smart   1/17/2012 1:52:28 PM
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Say what you will about Wikipedia, but I wanted to pass along an interesting tip I just read. Apparently, there is a way to keep access to the site during the SOPA protest blackout planned for tomorrow.

I have NO idea how difficult or easy this workaround will turn out to be.  Might be a WHOLE lot easier just to drive to a library.  But if you're a non-principled, smart aleck tinkerer or if your 6th grader has waited until the last minute to tackle that report on the parts of human cell...

http://lifehacker.com/5876833/how-to-take-wikipedia-offline-so-you-can-keep-using-it-during-tomorrows-anti+sopa-blackout

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Noreen Seebacher   1/17/2012 4:38:26 PM
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Well that's going to make a whole lotta last minute report writers feel much better.

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Noreen Seebacher   1/18/2012 7:50:38 AM
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Here's what you get on the English version of Wikipedia today:
Imagine a World
Without Free Knowledge

For over a decade, we have spent millions of hours building the largest encyclopedia in human history. Right now, the U.S. Congress is considering legislation that could fatally damage the free and open Internet. For 24 hours, to raise awareness, we are blacking out Wikipedia. Learn more.


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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Street Smart   1/18/2012 9:15:49 AM
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As the SOPA/PIPA protest boycott starts to spread, the BBC has put together an interesting visual tour of the censored web.  Check it out...while you still can!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16608314

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Joey Naddeo   1/18/2012 11:03:08 AM
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Cult online comic The Oatmeal said that this attempt to stop piracy was "like dealing with a liion that has escaped from the zoo by blasting some kittens with a flamethrower." 

Can't imagine a better quote to start my day off with 

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Noreen Seebacher   1/18/2012 11:58:19 AM
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And there's more:
Consumerist Is Against SOPA/PIPA And That's All We're Writing About Today
The editorial staff of Consumerist would like to let you know that we have chosen to suspend our normal coverage so that we can bring you news, information, and opinion concerning the proposed SOPA/PIPA legislation and why Consumers Union, the advocacy arm of Consumer Reports and Consumerist, is against it.


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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Noreen Seebacher   1/18/2012 1:48:11 PM
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And from Google:

End Piracy, Not Liberty



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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Joey Naddeo   1/18/2012 4:36:49 PM
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Some good news in the SOPA situation. It appears that, 3 days before the posting of this article, the portion of the act that allowed DNS filtering was removed. At the very least, our crippled internet will be safe. 

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/dns-sopa-provision/

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Noreen Seebacher   1/18/2012 6:21:33 PM
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Yes, but...(there is always a but Joey) Yes, the legislation’s House and Senate backers said they’d review a controversial provision that would de-list rogue sites from the Domain Name System (DNS). However, they haven’t abandoned these provisions — they just want more time to study them. The Senate bill is still scheduled for a vote next week. As Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) pointed out yesterday, it’s premature to write an obituary for SOPA and PIPA.

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Joey Naddeo   1/18/2012 6:29:42 PM
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Tricky, tricky politicians. 

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Scott Raynovich   1/18/2012 7:04:26 PM
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Subtext: Congressmen need more time to meet with Disney, Viacom, and News Corp. Lobbyists.

I cannot believe the media industry still thinks the solution is to lock up the Internet. You would have thought they had learned something from what happened to the music industry?

Does anybody use Napster anymore? No, because it became so easy to buy and transfer music content that people now do it legally. They grew the market. And Apple's making the most money because the music industry was afraid to do the right thing in the beginning and traded away all their negotiating power.

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
philtheinvestor   1/19/2012 8:57:27 PM
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Since when did politicians get tech savvy? DNS in bills??

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
Bargain Bin   1/20/2012 3:24:16 PM
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I'm not sure that they fully understand DNS or the implications of tampering with it. Or that they want to. 

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Re: Veni, Vidi, Wiki
philtheinvestor   1/24/2012 6:04:59 PM
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Of course not. Some techies don't even fully understand how DNS works or its potential. But that's what they have payrolls for...

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AskAsa   1/18/2012 12:38:03 PM
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Enforcement actions like this will stop internet piracy at about the same level as naval regulations have stopped sea piracy, which has remained a problem for centuries.

 

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We're not all pirates
Noreen Seebacher   1/18/2012 5:04:57 PM
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In a recent blog post titled "Digital Content: The Half-Full Glass," Wharton legal studies and business ethics professor Kevin Werbach notes that SOPA and PIPA  ignore the "great Internet success story" of authorized digital-content distribution.

"Reading [these bills], one would think that no one pays for digital content," Werbach writes. "Yet we know empirically that the market is thriving. Anecdotally, too. Ask a roomful of college students if they've obtained digital content through unauthorized means. Every hand might go up. Then ask whether they also pay for those very same forms of content. You could get the same response."

Werbach cites Apple, Hulu, Netflix and Pandora, among others, as examples of companies that are "monetizing digital content in unique, creative ways, while sending licensing fees back to the record labels and other content owners. Even licensed mobile ringtones are a $2 billion global business.

"The market isn't perfect," Werbach concedes. " It is a challenging time to be in any kind of content industry. We must accept, however, that the Internet genie will never go back in the bottle. It's time to build upon the successes of digital distribution, rather than imposing ever wider spheres of legal liability."

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Re: We're not all pirates
back2basicz   1/19/2012 8:28:03 AM
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Noreen,

Prof.Werbach seems to have put the issue very much in the right perspective.

The trouble is that Big Media still wants to go back to the Good ol' days (of record bonuses with very low risk for their companies);unfortunately as Webach says you cant put the Internet genie in the bottle anymore.

Big Media has to learn to compete with this competition & the faster they do it,the better it is for the surviving members of this industry(or else they could all go bust and nobody would care...)

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/how-copyright-industries-con-congress/

http://www.gao.gov/assets/310/303057.pdf

http://www.itworld.com/security/242587/best-evidence-showing-we-need-sopa-based-govt-studies-never-existed

As for the numbers for all the losses coming in from SOPA,as the above articles say-the losses would most probably not go beyond USD 90 million(& enforcement costs to US Govt would be about USD 50 million)-Does it make economic sense to introduce such legislation then?

 

I think not.

Regards

Ashish.

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Re: We're not all pirates
Dex   1/19/2012 9:03:02 AM
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More legislation = more expense in the long run for all of us = more loss of personal freedom.

All in all, SOPA is a bad idea all around.

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Re: We're not all pirates
Noreen Seebacher   1/19/2012 9:38:27 AM
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Well said, Dex

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Re: We're not all pirates
mInvestor   1/19/2012 11:27:33 PM
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@Dex,

Can't agree more. This bill will kill innovation, meanwhile doesn't help to solve Piracy problem. Really don't understand why this guy made this proposal. He shall spend more time on more urgent problems for American: economy and job creation.

 

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Re: We're not all pirates
Joey Naddeo   1/19/2012 11:35:00 PM
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https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca

A look at how the Digital Millenium Copyright Act has been misused since its enactment in 1998. Possibly a glimpse into how SOPA could be abused if passed. 

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Re: We're not all pirates
mInvestor   1/20/2012 2:20:05 PM
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Hm, that's what we afraid. They tend to make things worse after convince people to put more regulation on innovation.

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Re: We're not all pirates
back2basicz   1/22/2012 2:34:32 AM
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mln,

Thats always the case-More Regulation always ends up causing more trouble for the market in general(Take a look at the US Housing Industry for instance-It is easily the most regulated industry in America-Did it stop the massive bust we had in 2007-2009???).

Ashish.

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Re: We're not all pirates
back2basicz   1/22/2012 3:02:41 AM
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Joey,

Great post!!!

This is precisely what will happen(in more advanced form) with SOPA and even PIPA.

The smartest and most talented researchers (from overseas)will simply refuse to come to the US or work with American companies-Remember America has no monopoly on Intelligence & Hardwork.

And in fact,also lead to something else-an Innovation Blackout where the US gets behind the rest of the world.

Good to hear that SOPA has been deferred temporarily for now.

Here's hoping it gets totally buried.

Ashish.

 

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Re: We're not all pirates
mInvestor   1/22/2012 12:31:59 PM
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The regulation also works in cycles, like economy. We passed a less regulation cycle (that's why we have seen so many innovation and financial enigineerings), now we are about to a more regulation cycle (at least in financial industry). Let's hope those politicians don't extend this into other areas, especially not into science and technology areas.

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Hold on your Horses...Don't forget the Fed
back2basicz   1/23/2012 3:08:00 AM
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mln,

I am not so sure.

Check out this chart

https://www.historyshots.com/FinancialCrisis/index.cfm

Its based entirely on Kenneth Rogoff's famous book-This time is different.

It shows you quite clearly the impact the US Federal Reserve in particular has had on Financial Boom and Bust cycles.

The Plot thickens eh???

Regards

Ashish.

 

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Re: Hold on your Horses...Don't forget the Fed
Bargain Bin   1/23/2012 3:00:25 PM
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Slight update, may be common knowledge by now, but still worth a post: 

http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/sopa-shelved-but-not-completely-dead.html

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Good Story
Scott Raynovich   1/18/2012 7:06:32 PM
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Sunk! How Hollywood Lost the PR Battle Over SOPA


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/18/idUS398428468720120118



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