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Building a Business Case for Railroads

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Re: Now Departing on Track 10: The Earmark Express
driven   4/2/2012 1:56:58 PM
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Part of the perception problem with US rail are the railway stations. As already noted, NYC's Penn Station is dirty and disgusting. So are many of the smaller stations, although DC's Union Station is pretty nice. But until the stations are spruced up, rail will seem like only a slightly classier version of the bus.

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Re: Now Departing on Track 10: The Earmark Express
Tenacious   4/2/2012 1:50:15 PM
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Airlines have become very uncomfortable for anyone who is even slightly taller than average, so there are some real advantages with the spaciousness of trains and the ability to walk around during the trip.

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Re: Now Departing on Track 10: The Earmark Express
cat tail   4/2/2012 12:33:22 PM
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Spirit Air is a pigeon with an engine.

Ha! That's a funny comment, Noreen. But I also have to say i agree with it. Worst airline ever.

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Re: Now Departing on Track 10: The Earmark Express
Noreen Seebacher   4/2/2012 12:05:05 PM
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If the contest for the cleanest form of transportation is between Amtrack and, say,  Spirit Air, Amtrack wins hands down. Spirit Air is a pigeon with an engine.

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Re: Now Departing on Track 10: The Earmark Express
chapAnjou   3/31/2012 12:23:15 PM
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"What a shame!  Trains have such a marketing opportunity to position themselves as the gracious alternative to air travel, but it sounds like they are devolving to a level even lower than being in the air."

@Street Smart - you are so right.  As someone who is afraid of flying (and this was before 9/11), the prospect of taking a train across the country has never popped into my head once.  I think part of the reason is that trains never feel efficient (even though they obviously are) from a travel-time perspective because they're constantly stopping and going.  Furthermore, I have yet to get on a train that wasn't dirty in some capacity.

What do all of you think?  Do you think trains are missing out on an oppoortunity?  Or do you not even think of them as a viable alternative?

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Re: There are trains and then their are boondoggles
chapAnjou   3/31/2012 12:18:10 PM
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"I'm certain that is why Harry Reid is attempting to get a low interest, $4.9 billion loan from the Obama administration for his friends and contributors to build a 182 mile bullet train from Victorville, in the middle of the Mojave desert to Las Vegas."

Political relationships aside, I actually find this proposal fascinating for such conflicting reasons.  On the one hand, you have struggling Victorville that used to be a bustling town.  The rail, in theory (and we know how well theory always works in practice!), could possibly bring this town back to life.

On the other hand, you can only shake your head at the prospect of 4.9 billion dollars magically appearing out of thin air.  Then, not only does it just materialize out thin air, but it's being used to fund a project that will not help a vast majority of the country...and, frankly, for 4.9 billion dollars, it should.


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Re: Raise Those Kids Right!
chapAnjou   3/30/2012 9:03:33 AM
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Judging by the number of people that you see on the train after work that are "sneaking" (read: drinking out of a paper bag) alcohol into their commute home, I would think it's very profitable. I especially like the idea of an admission fee. 

However, seeing as how many of the surrounding delis inside of Penn make a lot of money off of this weird under the table beer exchange (guys buy bottled beers and pour them into fountain drink cups, after all), I wonder if a bar car would create problems that simply don't exist right now.

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Re: Raise Those Kids Right!
Noreen Seebacher   3/30/2012 8:09:34 AM
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How profitable do you think it would be if they added one or two really classy bar cars on regular commuter trains? Premium drinks and snacks, at premium prices--maybe for an added admission fee? Who thinks that would boost profits?

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Re: Raise Those Kids Right!
chapAnjou   3/29/2012 10:56:05 PM
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@Telecom, that Newport Dinner Train sounds amazing.  I'm definitely going to keep that in the back of my mind as something I want to try out sooner rather than later.  Is it me or are there not enough novelty train experiences out there? (really not a joke question, I swear!)

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Now Departing on Track 10: The Earmark Express
Street Smart   3/29/2012 9:09:10 AM
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@Fred, that train ride you took sounds pretty dreary, all right!  What a shame!  Trains have such a marketing opportunity to position themselves as the gracious alternative to air travel, but it sounds like they are devolving to a level even lower than being in the air.  But did the conductors take to the PA system screaming about terrorism?  If not, give them time...

As for the Victorville to Las Vegas boondogle, it sure sounds like one, all right.  But between Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi, I wouldn't worry TOO much that California's needs will be under-represented in the Cozy Democrat Pork Barrel Club.

But poor Barstow!  To cede its title of Punch Line of the Mojave to Victorville...NOT fair!

http://www.tripwolf.com/en/guide/show/344168/United-States-of-America/California-CA/Barstow

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