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Dex
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Price of first class mail
Dex   5/11/2012 8:45:09 AM
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What's the cost of first class mail 44 cents or something? It's too cheap--and I rarely say that. Charge a fee commensurate with the service.

cat tail
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Re: Price of first class mail
cat tail   5/11/2012 8:50:16 AM
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You have a point Dex...if i spend $5 on a greeting card, I'm not going to complain if it costs 75 cents to mail it.

Drivewaygirl
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Post office busines model
Drivewaygirl   5/11/2012 8:54:53 AM
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The USPS business model doesn't make sense to me. Federal or not? What was the point of that 1970 reorganization?

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Re: Post office busines model
Noreen Seebacher   5/11/2012 9:02:10 AM
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Me too, @drivewaygirl. I think I mentioned before that it always bothered me during the 2010 Census that all of the vast amount of paper that was mailed (beside the fact that it was mailed at all and not digitized on site and stored immediately in the Fed servers) was that FedEx did all the pickup and delivery. The USPS may have avoided a deficit in 2009 and 2010 just from the volume of overnight deliveries the Census Bureau gave FedEx!

driven
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Re: Post office business model
driven   5/11/2012 9:17:26 AM
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That's a perfect example of failed collaboration. Both the Post Office and the Census Bureau -- not to mention, I suspect, taxpayers -- would have benefited from a partnership.

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Mail
Tenacious   5/11/2012 9:10:59 AM
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There's a certain pleasure in getting a hand-written card (can't remember the last time i got a letter) in the mail, although I would not miss the bills.

driven
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Re: Mail
driven   5/11/2012 9:20:38 AM
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My volume of junk mail has noticably declined as my email spam has climbed. With less junk and relatively few bills -- I get most of mine online -- I've come to look forward to getting the mail. The stuff in it is usually interesting (cards, invitations, proxy statements).

jules58
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Re: Mail
jules58   5/11/2012 10:58:41 AM
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Lots more going online now, bills, statements, etc. Almost all I get in my mailbox is junk mail. Will the USPS be able to come up with a digital mail solution in time? Already have some of my stuff going this way with Digital Postal Mail. 

Value Hiker
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Package, not mail will save USPS
Value Hiker   5/11/2012 3:52:47 PM
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USPS has many chances to pull itself out of the hole, but it did nothing during the past decades. Like everyone, USPS saw the change coming after the innovation of email.  The mail delivery doesn't have a future, the future belongs to the parcel delivery. But USPS did almost nothing to push itself forward in the right direction. It sat there, looking UPS and Fedex surpassed itself in parcel delivery. 

The only asset left now in USPS is its real estate property holding, including Postal Stations/Branches, and processing facilites. It will be a real gem for UPS, FDX, or any real estate investor.

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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Phoenix   5/12/2012 10:13:01 AM
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I like to get postal mail much more than email. There is always a more personal touch in it. However, nostalgia alone won't assure survival. It's sad to see the failure to adopt to the changing needs of the customers and resistance to change could most likely bring about the downfall of USPS.

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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Bargain Bin   5/12/2012 11:00:06 AM
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E-mail has eaten into the profits of the USPS, but its not like they haven't tried to do anything about it. The USPS was pretty much barred from venturing into non-postal services by Congress, which includes the internet. It's one thing to stubbornly resist expansion, but its another thing entirely to be barred from expansion by congress, forced to put away full retirement benefits for the next 75 years worth of employees in 10 years time, and to continue to be required to do it while there is a considerable market shift. The USPS would have the funds and the flexibility to correct its business model and address existing problems if it wasn't burdened with these inane congressional stipulations. 

Broadway
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Broadway   5/12/2012 5:03:11 PM
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Great article in the Economist about this this past week, or week before, about how the USPS has a great plan for cost cutting and reform but need an antipathic congress to ok it. The postal service is run so poorly because it is tied to a political system that wants it to slowly die.

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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
tokyogai   5/14/2012 8:32:39 AM
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Our congressmen can't seem to run anything properly, so why should the post office be any different? They mandate the service, condone the union, set crazy rules and then compalin when they need funding. This half in half out of government system we have devloped clearly doesn't work well. We need to make a change.

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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
ProfR   5/14/2012 9:07:09 AM
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The Post Office is a business. It should be allowed to put cost reduction programs in place. So in the least, Congress should allow them to run as a business.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Noreen Seebacher   5/14/2012 10:49:51 AM
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Agreed. The Post Office has this weird structure of part government, part business -- just look at the .com suffix on the web address. So then just let it run itself like a private business, or else treat it like a government agency, and make sure it gets the mailing business from all its sister agencies.

 

Dex
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Dex   5/14/2012 11:00:12 AM
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Maybe the big threat to the Postal Service was the greed of card makers. You know why I started sending ecards and evites? Not to save 44 cents in postage -- to save $5 bucks or more for a stupid greeting card. What's up with that?

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Scott Raynovich   5/14/2012 11:37:35 AM
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Post Office should merge with Buffalo Wild Wings -- leveraged buyout -- and add chicken wings to the waiting area.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Noreen Seebacher   5/14/2012 11:58:53 AM
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Great idea. And maybe it could help Green Mountain, too -- load up on some K-cup dispensers for people with an aversion to wings but want to stay awake in those boring lines.

Value Hiker
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Value Hiker   5/14/2012 5:05:24 PM
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In this case, I want o propose to merge of KFC, Starbucks with UPS or Fedex. At least, these companies has the same fast paces.

Scott Raynovich
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Scott Raynovich   5/14/2012 5:13:55 PM
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could make for a lot of dirty and greasy mail!

AskAsa
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
AskAsa   5/14/2012 9:12:47 PM
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Postal doesnt appreciate or monetize its unique history.

They recently almost closed and then reduced hours at the first Franklin Post Office in Philly.

This could be a major money maker with paid tours etc.

Also, some of the smaller commericial package companies used to piggyback off the U.S. Postal service.  Some of those business relationships could be rekindled.

Why doesnt the Post Office start its own version of email that would make both virtual and real deliveries of photo proofs, ad sheets etc.

Drivewaygirl
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Re: Package, not mail will save USPS
Drivewaygirl   5/15/2012 2:25:33 PM
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Because the Postal Service will never have permission to innovate as long as they are even partly under the federal government's thumb.

Broadway
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Re: postal inefficiency
Broadway   5/13/2012 10:20:45 PM
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Heinrich, as with many issues in this country, policymakers ought to have an open and honest dialogue with citizens and basically say, "hey, how about we privatize this post office thing." Let them make their case and let the usps make its case and let us vote on it.

Broadway
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Re: postal inefficiency
Broadway   5/14/2012 2:52:37 PM
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If having your grandfather lie to you while his cronies implement unconstitutional, detrimental and often perverse policies behind the scenes represents "upfront dialogues," then why don't we resurrect Reagan and install him as zombie in chief until we're all zombies. He was practically a zombie for his whole second term, if not more, so the precedent has been set.

impactnow
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Choose to succeed
impactnow   5/15/2012 1:35:39 PM
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Joey the challenge is when it "left" the government it still operated like it was a government office with civil servants, pensions etc. It was forced to operate like a corporation with stockholders it would be run very differently. The wages would be cut the pensions eliminated and replaced by contribution plans and the workforce and offices reallocated. The postal service needs to stop being in a quasi space to be successful, it needs to be a government function or be privatized. Existence in between will not be successful.

Broadway
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Re: Choose to succeed
Broadway   5/15/2012 9:42:33 PM
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@impactnow, if the USPS went private, it would need to lay off a good part of it's workforce---those too indoctrinated in the old skacky ways. It would still need to pay pensions for all the folks currently under the plan even if it freezed the plan going forward. And it would still need to pay a decent wage to attract new decent staff. Pprivatization is no magic bullet.

cat tail
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Re: Choose to succeed
cat tail   5/16/2012 1:51:58 PM
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I don't think privatization is necessarily better than a government agency. But anything has to be better than the weird hybrid the post office is right now.

mInvestor
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Re: Choose to succeed
mInvestor   5/17/2012 5:34:23 AM
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@Broadway,

Good analysis, that's exactly what will happen if they go private and it has been verified many times.

Sad to say it's kind of too late to have a good solution now. No matter what, it looks like the solution will be a long and unhappy one.

 



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