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Don't Assume Wall Street Has Your Back

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philtheinvestor
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Re: It's all in the title
philtheinvestor   11/28/2011 11:04:16 AM
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PredictableChaos,

You are right and that is the major crux of these Occupy movements. But with any 'make money fast' operations, there is alot of risk. Unfortunately, most of the risk is squarely dropped in the investors' lap.

The only recommendation would be to do your homework on the picks and watch the broker like a hawk.

Drivewaygirl
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Drivewaygirl   11/28/2011 10:51:59 AM
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The Internet has made me believe I'm better off trusting myself: I do my own research and make my own mistakes. But at least I don't have to turn over my trust to someone who doesn't deserve it.

AskAsa
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Re: Nervous
AskAsa   11/28/2011 10:42:40 AM
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I agree! Nothing like an obscure, hard to understand investment to create confusion and disappointment for investors.

Watchdog
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Re: Nervous
Watchdog   11/27/2011 1:32:53 PM
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There is an old adage "It is easier to learn to select a professional than it is to learn to do the professional's job yourself".

The problem is Wall Street makes it very difficult to select a competent, ethical professional.

The biggest firms in America employ thousands of advisors who are new to the industry or have repeat violations of industry regulations.

Wall Street companies do not want you to have this information.

Consequently, selecting a competent, ethical advisor is the equivalent of walking through a minefield. One wrong move and you can be badly damaged. 

mInvestor
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Re: Nervous
mInvestor   11/27/2011 1:13:48 PM
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I won't go to the extrem and say that no one can beat the market over the long term. There is Warren Buffet and others have done that. But you are right, it's not easy to find one in your daily life. It will take lots of effort to search and find the right one for you. Sometimes I thought it might be easier to pick a good stock, comparing to pick up a good financial adviser. Yes, the index fund (ETF) is a good choice for avarage investors.

But I'd say those Wall Street people are really smart that they know people are investing in index funds now to avoid financial advisors. Now those samrt people start to package index funds (ETF) in a complicated way that average investors don't understand. So, becareful of those new index funds. Hopefully they won't become next housing problem.

 

PredictableChaos
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Re: It's all in the title
PredictableChaos   11/22/2011 12:44:52 PM
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The doctor will be sued for malpractice if there are very many mistakes. Bad MD's end up losing their medical licenses.

The judge who takes bribes does so only in clear violation of the law and runs similar risks of losing his or her job and even prison time.

Stockbrokers are different.  They can take your money, recommend investments who's primary benefit is a high commision for them or for their employer and run NO risk of losing anything.  They can buy investments for your account that they are selling from their personal accounts at the same time.  The differnece is that for stockbrokers, it's all perfectly legal.

Street Smart
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Re: It's all in the title
Street Smart   11/22/2011 11:02:27 AM
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Interesting point @erierunner!  I remember when all the big brokerage firms used to have Account Executives.  Now, they've all been re-branded as Financial Advisors.

And I love how everything is about "wealth management" these days.  Sounds great on paper, but hopefully that's not the ONLY place it exists!  If so, we won't even be able to afford @Watchdog's pet canine, no matter WHAT we call him...

erierunner
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It's all in the title
erierunner   11/21/2011 9:52:34 PM
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Americans are blinded by titles.  As soon as you hear someone is a doctor you have all this respect for them but little do you know he killed 2 people on a table by accident.  We hear judge and we think prestige but they are taking bribes from the DA.  Same for advisors, they have a title and people think they know everything.  Bottom line is do your research on no matter who you are dealing with. 

Watchdog
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Re: Nice doesn't mean friend
Watchdog   11/21/2011 8:16:16 PM
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Nice is also called relationship management, a sales skill.

An investor once told me he trusted his advisor because he was so nice. How was he nice? He always sent b-day and Christmas cards.

The investor did not realize his advisor subscribed to a service that sent the cards for him.

Working with advisors should be based on business principles.

Your likeable advisor may be the reason you have to defer your retirement.

Also, advisors know investors are reluctant to fire friends so they will tolerate bad results longer.

If you need a friend, buy a dog.

Watchdog
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Re: Nervous
Watchdog   11/21/2011 8:10:42 PM
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This is why a lot of investors buy index funds and stop drinking the kool aid. No advisor is going to beat the market over longer time periods, but that is not what they tell investors.

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