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Can You Still Trust the Citi?

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Heinrich Coup-de-Suite
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Re: The ethnic standard of big banks
Heinrich Coup-de-Suite   12/14/2011 4:02:33 PM
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"They should be naming the executives who made the decisions to scam the public."

Sounds like something Elliot Spitzer might have taken on.  Last I heard he was tied up with other matters.

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Re: The ethnic standard of big banks
Watchdog   12/14/2011 12:00:21 PM
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You are absolutely right!

The media does the public a disservice when they refer to corrupt acts as Wall Street or Citi. They should be naming the executives who made the decisions to scam the public.

Exeutives make 7, 8, and 9 figure bonuses based on the short-term profitability of their companies.

If they are caught, their companies pay fines and in two weeks it is business as usual. It takes that long for the public to forget about their fraudulent acts.

If an executive is fired (rare) for his decision to rip-off the public, he walks away with millions of dollars. He may have a Golden Parachute that pays him additional millions of dollars.

In a matter of months he has a new job. He may even be hired because he has experience creating products that scam investors out of billions of dollars.

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Re: If Goldman can do it why can't Citi???
Watchdog   12/14/2011 11:51:33 AM
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Don't forget politicians control the Justice Department and the SEC.

Wall Street firms spend more than $300 million per year to make sure regulations favor companies and not investors. Political contributions protect Wall Street executives. It is that simple.

You could say politicians are in the protection business.

I believe politicians are more corrupt than Wall Street executives. Remember, they passed a law prohibiting insider trading and then exempted themselves from that law.

Investors are voters. If they want to clean-up Wall Street they have to start in WDC.

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Re: If Goldman can do it why can't Citi???
Watchdog   12/14/2011 11:45:05 AM
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A fine is not a deterrent, it is a cost of doing business for Wall Street firms. That's why a lot of firms are repeat offenders. They can easily afford to pay the fines IF they are caught.

Meanwhile, key executives pocket big bonuses.

Fines also allow executives of Wall Street firms to rip-off investors with no fear of prosecution. They have no downside risk. This also makes their Boards of Directors highly suspect when they do not fire the executives.

$295mm is a small percentage of the QUARTERLY profits that were just announced by Citi.

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Re: Glass Steagall
Watchdog   12/14/2011 11:38:34 AM
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I think everyone would be better off if bankers sold bank products and insurance agents sold insurance products.

Investors are not well served when the agent who sold them their car insurance also wants to invest their retirement assets.

Banks and insurance companies make more money when they cross-sell additional products to current customers. Unfortunately, they have decided tp go after their clients' personal and retirement assets with sales forces that know next to nothing about retirement planning and investing.

Investors beware!

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Re: If Goldman can do it why can't Citi???
Jacob   12/14/2011 1:44:31 AM
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Jack, it’s a big drawback to citi group. $285 million is a huge amount, and I think citi group may take another 10-20 years to make over this loss and to become profitable. Rather than this, it’s most important to build up confidentiality and trust among customers. Once the trust is lost, its very difficult to create same trust and brand name.

Heinrich Coup-de-Suite
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Re: If Goldman can do it why can't Citi???
Heinrich Coup-de-Suite   12/14/2011 1:00:14 AM
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Citi got left on the bottom of the first-mover pyramid on this one.  By now, the court system is able to respond to this way of doing business by handing out fraud charges.  The judge should havce just said, "Realizing gains in the event your customers lose money is soo 2008."

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The ethnic standard of big banks
Value Hiker   12/13/2011 9:07:49 PM
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This report reminds me the story of Michael Burry and AIG in Michael Lewis book "The big Short".

When Michael Burry decided to short the CDS product of AIG insured around 2006. He just can't believe that AIG will take such a huge risk at so low a premium. Mr. Burry thought AIG must know something he did not know. During one trade show at Las Vegas, he meet the guy, who was the head of AIG FD. Mr Burry asked the AIG manager " Do you know how much risk you take by selling these insurance for subprime mortgage". The AIG manager replied "Yes I do". Mr.Burry asked " Then why did you do this?". The AIG manager said; "Just between you and me, I made less than 100K before I sell these insurances. Now I made 10M a year. Why should I gave a f*** about the risk."

If these people at big financial institutions can sacrifice their own companies for personal gain, I do not see any obstacles for them to sacrifice their clients' interests. 

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Re: Glass Steagall
PredictableChaos   12/13/2011 6:29:52 PM
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I agree - Glass Steagall is a complete non-starter in the current political climate.

However, it may not be long before the soverign debt problem puts our political leaders in a whole new political climate and a real no-win situation.  How popular will ANOTHER huge bank bailout be in 2012?  It may provide just the type of major disruption that allowed Glass Steagall to be enacted the first time.

I'm not saying it's likely.  Just saying it's possible.

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Re: Glass Steagall
Watchdog   12/13/2011 4:14:41 PM
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Won't happen. Banks have too much clout in WDC.

Ironically, if they had stuck to what they were good at and had not gotten caughtup in Wall Street greed and corruption, they may not have been such willing participants in the mortgage scandal.

Remember when bankers were not that well paid. That's not true anymore. They are Wall Streeters now.

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