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mInvestor
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Re: Too Big to Fail
mInvestor   4/5/2012 12:15:29 PM
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@Street Smart,

If you are a big believer in regulations, you might get what you want. According to some experts' analysis, we enter into a cycle that more regulations will be created. However, I have doubt those regulations will help us to solve major problems. Rather they will make doing businesses more expensive.

Well, it might be just my personal view, I'd prefer a balanced approach to regulations.

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Re: Time to reinstall the Glass-Steagall act
Value Hiker   4/4/2012 3:47:41 PM
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Mr. Obama may make bold movement on financial industry on his second term. As he told Russia president last Monday: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility." Hope our president will be flexible enough next year that he can show his audacity to change

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Re: Time to reinstall the Glass-Steagall act
Street Smart   4/4/2012 8:46:31 AM
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@Value Hiker, I agree with you on one out of two of your statements.  Absolutely, I think Glass-Steagall should be re-enacted and I think it's demise caused many of the problems we are seeing today.

Wish I agreed that we have a president committed to making the hard choices. Barring health care early in his term (and I always thought that was actually Teddy Kennedy's quid pro quo for his support), I haven't seen Obama making nearly enough hard choices.  In fact, I think it's a pretty short list when it comes to reining in the bankers.  He let Larry Summers ride roughshod over him with policy and appointments and Tim Geithner...don't GET me started!

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Time to reinstall the Glass-Steagall act
Value Hiker   4/3/2012 8:45:13 PM
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The most amazing development after 2008 crisis is our Government still has not reinstalled the Glass-Steagall Act. We have a president committed to make hard choice and a Fed chairman spent most of his life studying the Great Depression. But we ended up with no change and action four years after the crisis.

Many people believe that Glass-Steagall Act has protected this country from major crisis for about 70 years. It created a firewall between commercial banks and investing banks, and prevent financial institutions to become "too big to fail".

The only drawback of this Act is it make the lives of these greedy bastards in the big banks miserable. But I have no sympathy for them

 

 

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Re: Too Big to Fail
Street Smart   4/3/2012 6:33:11 PM
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@Noreen and @PredictableChaos, there is often a lack of honesty in how complex products are marketed and presented, and to be crystal clear, I don't condone dishonesty or lack of disclosure in any form!

What I do want to point out however is that some variation on the old Eleanor Roosevelt observation that "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" does apply here in the sense that no one forces anyone to buy a product, be it bad sausage or CDO's.

I am also a big believer in regulation; I'd like to see a lot more of both disclosure and enforcement in the marketplace and the resources to make both a reality, not just a promise.

But if I read @Jack's original post correctly, he is saying that big institutions shouldn't try to sell or cross-sell products to their large customer bases.  I'm just arguing that those customer bases got large to begin with because the companies were doing something right with their customers/clients and that new products fail all the time because there's no demand.

We talked recently on these boards about what a turkey the movie John Carter was. Disney took a risk, put a movie out there and it was awful.  Should people who "invested" $10 be protected from Disney's bad taste?  On balance, Disney has produced thousands of hit films that have given great entertainment value for the money.  Buyers and sellers both take a leap of faith based on reputation but Disney's won't last if they keep churning out THIS stuff!

Another example is how AOL Time Warner has fared over the years--BADLY!  The '90s rage for "synergy" didn't pan out because companies were so intent on cross-selling to their large customer bases that they forgot WHAT they were selling.

Bottom line, if products are honestly presented, then I believe buyers and sellers both bear some responsibility in the transaction.  If there are lies or deception involved in packaging "snouts and tails" as filet mignon, the marketplace will soon find out--as Disney did, as AOL did, and as Goldman Sachs is finding out AS WE SPEAK...

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Re: Deregulation in general
tokyogai   4/3/2012 2:16:42 PM
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I have doubts that even they would follow their own advice.

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Re: Too Big to Fail
PredictableChaos   4/3/2012 1:15:19 PM
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Yes @Noreen, there is a lack of honesty.  Transparency is lacking.  Banks are willing to erode trust that was built over decades for profits that will only last a year or two.  Individuals, like Greg Smith from Goldman, often lament these decisions. 

So why do the mega-institutions act this way?

The market forces your hand.  If other banks are performing better, and if the government covers your losses; there is no compelling reason to hold back.

Once we stop the bailouts, the risk of losing everything can reappear.  And I agree with @Street Smart that a lot of the other nonsense will then be solved by the marketplace.

PC

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Re: Too Big to Fail
Tenacious   4/3/2012 11:51:08 AM
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I think the fact that they are NOT marketed with any transparency is the problem. They make them so complex and so confusing - and people forget the most basic rule of investing (don't invest in what you don't understand) and get suckered in.

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Re: Too Big to Fail
Noreen Seebacher   4/3/2012 10:55:14 AM
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Do you think the honesty in which those products are presented to the marketplace is key @Street Smart? Did even sophisticated investors understand the snouts and tails they were getting when they purchased tranches of synthetic CDOs? And did anyone honestly explain it was a sausage most investors would not want on their plates?

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Re: Too Big to Fail
Street Smart   4/3/2012 10:44:09 AM
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I second the points that @PredictableChaos makes in endorsing the Dallas Fed's report.

But I also think that there are two issues here, the too big to fail issue and the question of whether large institutions should be developing and cross-selling so many new products.

I headed the new product division of what was then the world's largest brokerage firm during a very go-go time (the early '80s) but introducing new products was no guarantee of their success.  THAT depended on the marketplace.  Simply having something for sale is no guarantee that someone will buy it, as your car insurance/investment example humorously shows.

So, bottom line behemoths can make errors of judgment in introducing new products, but at the end of the day those errors will be corrected by market forces--the sound of investors just saying NO.

The products that a firm IS successfully selling will be the proof of whether a firm is lucky enough to even QUALIFY as too big to fail. 

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