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Facebook: Blockbuster IPO, Speculative Investment

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impactnow
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Grab a parachute
impactnow   5/24/2012 1:25:22 PM
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Since FB has fallen through the IPO floor it is clear that true investors are standing aside. FB was innovative no doubt but to survive we must evolve with technology, advertising is not what their users want to see and their mobile strategy is disjointed. To be truly viable long term they need to demonstrate a multistream revenue model that reflects the evolution of social media. Right now they are resting on their laurels.

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Re: How can LNKD be cheaper than FB
Value Hiker   5/22/2012 12:10:39 PM
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I agree that LinkedIn's business model is better than FaceBook, at least for now. Furthermore, LNKD has executed well so far. But its valuation is so high based on current profit and revenue, there is no room for any mistake. A few things I want to point out:

LinkedIn has no meaningful international market, and strong competition will make it costly for LinkedIn to make inroad on foreign market.  In US market, LinkedIn's cost of revenue is raising sharply, further growing will be more expansive, these are the same problems NFLX faced last year. 

LinkedIn can run into same problem Netflix faces now. Your description of LinkedIn can apply to NetFlix two years ago, word by word. But a small misstep last year ruined the whole NFLX party.  

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philtheinvestor   5/22/2012 10:50:54 AM
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So far, there's no ads in the mobile app (at least not the WP version) but I see that on the horizon soon.

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Re: How can LNKD be cheaper than FB
Robert Irr   5/21/2012 10:25:53 PM
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re: Value Hiker 

I see a very bright future ahead for LinkedIn in terms of both their revenue streams and ultimate growth potential.

LinkedIn already has a very high-converting paid membership option and they're quickly becoming one of the top online job boards.  In a few years, don't be surprised if LinkedIn completely overtakes Monster.com and other top job boards.

When you consider that they have 3 very solid revenue streams already (1) membership (2) job postings and (3) advertisements, this company is positioned extremely well for an early-stage startup. 

Not to mention, the company's financial performance so far speaks for itself.  LinkedIn has consistently deivered both revenue and EPS surprises since going public.

The stock is a much more attractive risk/reward than Facebook at these levels.  If you think LinkedIn is another Netflix, I would urge you to do some additional research.  Sure, they're both high growth companies, but LinkedIn already has a very solid business model with an extemely sturdy "competitive moat".  

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Re: Being Public Changes Things
tokyogai   5/21/2012 8:52:00 AM
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I think getting revenue will be much harder than it was for Google. Insertion of ads in a conversation may lead to a lot of user push back and they really haven't figured out how to make revenue from mobile. I am a bit cautious here and will be an oberserver, not a participant.

philtheinvestor
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philtheinvestor   5/19/2012 4:19:33 PM
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It will be interesting to see what more they can do to make $$ from users. I expect them to start down the Google path and try to get as much as possible from our social habits.

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Re: How can LNKD be cheaper than FB
Scott Raynovich   5/19/2012 10:37:28 AM
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With those expense numbers you have to take into account that they were ramping up for the IPO. There is a lot of leverage in the model.

But I agree that it is not cheap and do not own it.

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Re: How can LNKD be cheaper than FB
Value Hiker   5/19/2012 1:29:04 AM
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@Scott, I am not so convinced about LinkedIn's growth. Last quarter it made $5M profit. To make $800M annually in two years, it needs to increase its earning 40 times. Even Microsoft and Cisco in their best times could not grow like that.

In the meantime, LinkedIn's cost are rising much faster than their revenue growth. Last quarter, LinkedIn managed to grow its revenue about 100% year over year (very impressive indeed), but its cost raised about 200% year over year. Instead of seeing an expansion of profit margin, we may see a shrink instead.

At $100, LinkedIn is priced for perfect execution for the next decade, not just couple of years. Any bump in the road will make it another NetFlix.

 

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Re: How can LNKD be cheaper than FB
Scott Raynovich   5/18/2012 5:00:52 PM
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I will let Robert speak for himself but the way I look at it, Facebook has a $100B valuation whereas LinkedIn is only $10B. A lot more room to grow. Also, LinkedIn just started to leverage profitability so the P/E is kind of a bad measure at this point. You have to look at where they will be in two years. Easy to see 40% margins from an Internet company, so let's say they can do $2B in revenue and have about $800M in profits. I can see a $15B or higher valuation in two years.

Facebook -- totally different scenario because they are so large. They are already at $4B in revenue so growing is tougher.

P/S is probably the best measure for these companies. By that measure LinkedIn is cheaper, but you are right, it's still pretty high. The valuations for them all could come in.

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How can LNKD be cheaper than FB
Value Hiker   5/18/2012 4:12:26 PM
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"I think there are better alternatives out there such as LinkedIn Corp. or Jive Software Inc. . Both of these companies have much more reasonable valuations."

Facebook is the hottest company in the hottest industry. It is richly valuated even at IPO price. But I don't know how LinkedIn's valuation is cheap. Here is the comparison:

PE PS   PB         

LinkedIn            672           17             16       

Facebook          88             25             11

Besides PS, LinkedIn seems serveral times overvalued than Facebook (at $38). LinkedIn's valuation is anything but reasonable. It looks like a pig ready to be slaughtered.

Am I missing something here?

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