I found this helpful in visualizing the process, especially if you look at it in relation to the trucks shown on the surface.
Re: New Yorkers Divided on Fracking
Tenacious
5/19/2011 10:48:05 AM
Do you know where I can find a diagram or cutaway that will help me visualize this process? It's hard for me to "see" in my mind exactly what we're talking about with this process, and how far from the surface the companies drill.
A recent NY1/YNN-Marist Poll show a significant 21% of New Yorkers are unsure how they feel about fracking -- and the remainder are relatively evenly split between pro and con.
According to the poll, 41% of those questioned oppose it and 38% support it. Most of the state has a slight opposition toward hydrofracking, but in the affluent suburbs of New York City, 46% of New Yorkers support the use of fracking, compared to 36% who are against it.
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New York State Residents
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Hydraulic fracturing, often referred to as hydrofracking, is a process of splitting rocks underground to remove natural gas. From what you have read or heard, do you generally support or oppose hydrofracking?
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Support
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Oppose
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Unsure
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NYS Adults
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38%
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41%
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21%
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Party Registration
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Democrat
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34%
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47%
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18%
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Republican
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49%
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27%
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24%
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Non-enrolled
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36%
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46%
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18%
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Tea Party Supporters
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55%
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31%
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14%
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Political Ideology
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Liberal
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31%
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51%
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18%
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Moderate
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39%
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44%
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16%
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Conservative
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49%
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29%
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23%
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Region
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New York City
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35%
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39%
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26%
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Suburbs
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46%
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36%
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18%
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Upstate
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37%
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47%
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16%
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Income
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Less $50,000
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33%
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43%
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24%
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$50,000 to just under $100,000
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44%
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40%
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15%
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$100,000 or more
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42%
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40%
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18%
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Education
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Not college graduate
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38%
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41%
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22%
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College graduate
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39%
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43%
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17%
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Age
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18 to 29
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40%
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46%
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13%
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30 to 44
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42%
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35%
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23%
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45 to 59
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37%
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40%
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23%
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60 or older
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35%
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43%
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22%
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If you're saying Mr. Deutsch's team is a product of the environmental lobby, I would ask you to point out to me where the environmental lobby has the clout to enlist a former CIA director to further its agenda. As for taking on the assumption that the project poses no dangers based on the unlikelyhood of those dangers, I would just say that there is a finite likelihood, therefore there is a danger. Finally, the magnitude of depth of the fracturing does not put it out of the impact zone of the aquifers; you clearly have to excevate through the aquifer stratum before you even get to the fracturing depth.
Asa,
This is precisely what I have read and understood too.
Guess the environmental Lobby has run a great scam to stop the progress of this much needed energy source???
Regards
Ashish.
Re: More complaints
AskAsa
5/18/2011 1:31:42 PM
From what I understand, the shallowest frac tops are about a mile below the surface and thousands of feet below the nearest water aquifers. It's highly unlikely that any of the fractures or chemicals used in the fracturing process would ooze up to the surface from that depth.
Heinrich,
Your comment here,is still very much open to more Research results and analysis.
"I don't think there's any question that a project of this magnitude will impact local water quality."
There is no Assurance/Guarantee that Fracking definitely impacts Groundwater.
Everything is open to conjecture until they allow Pilot drilling projects in the New York region.And lets face it,if there was a problem would be seeing such a tremendous SHale drilling boom in Virginia,Texas and Pennsylvannia?
By now the Environmentalists would have been all over the Oil companies if they were really messing with the Groundwater there.One also should'nt forget that all 3 states are Pro-Guns;so these guys won't waste time going after the Oil Companies with all sorts of ammo-Courts and lawsuits be damned!!!
Regards
Ashish.
I suppose that depends on what you mean by success. I don't think there's any question that a project of this magnitude will impact local water quality. Perhaps the well-credentialed team that is slated to review this will come up with steps to lessen the impact somewhat.
Heinrich,
I understand and appreciate your line of thinking here(the need to review operations,etc in a practice as new&(potentially environmentally invasive) as this one.
But the issue is how long is enough of a time for a successful review?
Is 3 years enough?[Thats how long most of these programs are on Hold today].
Does it make sense to just continue importing Foriegn Crude(& effectively empowering some of our biggest enemies) while an equally significant (& effective)source of energy and much needed jobs lies within our shores???
Unfortunately there are no easy answers to any of these questions.
But I still think that they've spent enough time on the debates and it makes more sense to get atleast a pilot (small-scale)project going now.
Regards
Ashish.
A controversial practice such as described requires a strong body with official credibility to enable it to clear the inevitable hurdles that would arise. No one would dispute the value of a shale recovery venture that is projected to reap close to 10 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day. In light of this the political expenditures are hardly a waste.
I would like to find out the energy capacity of a cubic foot of methane or propane and how that compares to, say, a barrel of oil.
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