Democrats are weak
ProfR
11/28/2011 9:34:20 AM
Interesting.
I think one problem is that people who would be good candidates generally do not want to run for high office because they will be picked apart (everyone has some problems). But that said, yes it is tough to pick a republican candidate. Obama is very weak right now so the republicans should be looking for a strong candidate to run against him. Maybe this is Christie... however he is weak on foreign policy experience.
Re: Democrats are weak
Phoenix
11/28/2011 10:43:42 AM
Very interesting indeed and I must say the world is watching. The economy is still in trouble and as you say the US now needs someone strong enough to carryout a strong international campaign once he or she becomes the president. Right now all I can see is a lot of talk which leads no where in particular.
"Veterans of the "Rudy in 2008" campaign are working the phones."
Is that supposed to make one feel confident in a potential Christie campaign?
Maybe we should wait and see if he can fix New Jersey, first. Anybody who can fix New Jersey can fix anything...
I'm still dreaming of a surprise candidate who is smart, articulate, imaginative, decisive, and fiscally responsive yet compassionate.
I am not holding my breath...
Re: Dreamin'
driven
11/28/2011 10:38:20 AM
Ah, the wonders of dreaming. If only we could create a reality from such hopes.
At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
Street Smart
11/28/2011 10:57:21 AM
Your premise is intriguing, @Marvin, VERY intriguing... I wish that it had a triple dip ice cream cone's chances in H-E-double hockey sticks of coming true because I, too, am a big Chris Christie fan.
But, sadly, I think his moment in the sun has passed for 2012. The scenario you suggest would mean that the media kingmakers would have to be COMPLETELY blindsided and I'm not sure I see that happening. I think if his candidacy had even a breath of life left in it, we'd still be hearing murmurs. Whispers even...
The role of Veep for him on other hand, would be central casting perfect, even if he were to run with Romney, a fellow blue-stater. In Romney's case, he'd balance both the religious and too-perfect angles. With Gingrich or Perry (which I really don't see coming to pass, by the way) he'd add the northeast, blue state, "I speak liberal" reality check that is SO badly needed.
Re: At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
philtheinvestor
11/28/2011 11:07:04 AM
Street Smart,
What makes you such a big Christie supporter?
Re: At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
Street Smart
11/28/2011 11:43:23 AM
@philtheinvestor, I like him because he seems in so many ways like the anti-politician--a bull in a china shop in terms of his blunt remarks, WAY overweight, serious (at least for now) about not using the governorship to seek higher office...
He just seems like as close to "what you see is what you get" as we've seen in a while, and his background as US Attorney makes his an anti-corruption figure that's pretty unique, especially in New Jersey!
Do I agree with all of his fiscal positions? No, I think he's a bit Draconian, even by Republican standards, but I think New Jersey was on the road to bankruptcy otherwise. I don't live in the state, but I gather that it had become virtually "unliveable" due to high taxes on all fronts as well as incredibly high insurance rates. (GREAT gas prices though!)
I also like that he isn't a conservative wingnut who disavows evolution or science. He's the governor of a large, liberal northeastern state and routinely has to reach across the aisle to get things done, as well as across the tri-state area to work with his fellow governors in NY and CT.
Re: At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
ProfR
11/28/2011 1:15:49 PM
You are right. Christie is not perfect but he faces up to hard problems and gets the job done. So is there anyone else?
Re: At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
tokyogai
11/28/2011 1:36:25 PM
It is discouraging that there are so few republicans that are capable and could be elected. Watching this current field of candidates is very discouraging.
Re: At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
PAW
11/28/2011 3:21:55 PM
I agree that the current choices for the Republican candidate are discouraging. Still, I believe that any one of them is a better alternative to what is in the Whitehouse at the moment.
Re: At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
philtheinvestor
11/28/2011 3:43:51 PM
Street Smart,
Well I like in NY & I guess he's doing a good enough job because I haven't heard too many Jersey-ans complaining. To add to you point about being overweight... I have a friend who said he likes his politicians like good football coaches - overweight. Cracks me up but if you follow the lineage, it's sorta true.
Re: At the End of the Day, Who's the Heavyweight?
Bargain Bin
11/29/2011 12:53:19 AM
Marvin, you seem like you'd be able to write some great skits for Stephen Colbert.
Alternative to Christie
Ted Faraone
11/28/2011 2:06:38 PM
No obese man has been elected president since William Howard Taft in 1908. I'd like to see a "Draft McCain" movement.
McCain could be president today if he had made a more reasoned choice of VP in 2008. Just saying.
Re: Alternative to Christie
BigJim
11/29/2011 9:41:12 AM
Agreed, Going for someone with style over substance did not endear him to the independents he was trying to woo, although Ms. Palin did seem to resonate with many Republicans (especially in the beginning).
Re: Alternative to Christie
Ted Faraone
11/29/2011 10:04:37 AM
He'd have had a chance, at least, without Palin. I think that the Lehman collapse pretty much did in the Republicans in 2008, however.
Last NJ Gov. to be President was not so hot
Ted Faraone
11/28/2011 2:14:13 PM
Woodrow Wilson was the last New Jersey Governor to rise to the presidency of the United States. He did not do so great a job. If we must find someone from New Jersey, how about Governor Keane? He was and remains a pretty bright guy.
Marvin's strategy for hijacking the Republican Party last worked in 1952 when Henry Cabot Lodge and Governor Dewey foiled Sen. Robert A. Taft with the Eisenhower draft. Unfortunately, Ike is no longer with us. We seem to be faced with a choice between a successful investment banker, whose dad ruined Hudson and Packard, and a bunch of pygmies. I don't trust the investment banker. I have no confidence in the pygmies.
newt
AskAsa
11/28/2011 3:09:10 PM
Problem with Newt is that he is absolutely arctic.
Even when attempting to sound warm and caring while talking about helping immigrants and families he still comes off as cold.
Reagan, Clinton, and the baby Bush could all tap into a feeling of warmth.
Campaigner Obama was a master at it - President Obama somehow lost it.
Americans follow a leader with a blend of strength, warmth and energy.
Perry asked students in NH today to vote for him -- if they "will be 21 by November the 12th."
The United States' voting age is 18, and voters will weigh in on the presidential election on November 6.
Re: And now, the latest from Rick Perry
Scott Raynovich
11/29/2011 8:22:56 PM
>>Perry asked students in NH today to vote for him -- if they "will be 21 by November the 12th."
LOL -- maybe he just plans to go drinking with them in the bar after he's out of the rece.
Re: And now, the latest from Rick Perry
Street Smart
11/29/2011 10:31:27 PM
I don't think we should be in such a gosh darned hurry to wrap up the Republican nomination. WHAT in the WORLD will we do for entertainment???
Perry , Parakeet or Frog?
Street Smart
11/30/2011 9:51:21 AM
The one and only Maureen Dowd has checked in with a phrase in her op/ed column today that, in my opinion, hilariously sums up Rick Perry. She said,
"...if brains were elastic, Perry wouldn't have enough to make suspenders for a parakeet."
She goes on to handicap the Republican race in some novel and insightful (but scary ways), concluding that it just might be Newt's moment after all! A presidential candidate nicknamed after an amphibious frog? Have we come to this???
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/opinion/my-man-newt.html?_r=1&ref=maureendowd
Too funny. From The New York Review of Books:
If one momentarily puts to the side his wildly extreme political views, his obvious and cringe-inducing knowledge gaps, and his alleged treatment of women, one can easily find things to admire in the man. Certainly, he does himself in This Is Herman Cain!
as the remaining candidates try desperately to stop the man nobody wants (Barack Obama).
I've made one minor correction above - the man noboday wants for president happens to be the one we have. Gallop poll numbers released show Obama's popularity is now just 43%.
This is lower than any recent president at this point in his first term, going back to at least Jimmy Carter.
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