Re: Ivy League candidates
Bargain Bin
11/30/2011 2:18:48 PM
Speaking of entitlement, it seems like some of these CUNY students have a sense of entitlement. Demanding CUNY be free for all? I understand that a lot of CUNY students come from families facing financial problems, but that's just ridiculous.
I also find it interesting that more people DON'T go the 2-years-at-a-community-college route, especially when considering how much money it saves you in the long run. There are so many stigmas that have grown out of the current college culture. It seems like kids are almost afraid of going to community college, despite the fact that your final four year diploma, whether it come from an illustrious school or not, is never going to make mention of it.
Re: College Knows No Age
mInvestor
11/30/2011 12:18:11 PM
Yes, college knows no age, that's a good way to put it. People don't have to go to university/college right after high school. But it's still better to go there whenever they are ready. Learning knowledge and skills in college is just one part of it. To better grow and mature sometimes is much more imprtant for any one. If people think attending university is wasting money/time if they later switch their career or something like that, then these people probably won't read "Shakespeare". To them it''s just a waste to do anything other than climb their career ladder or earning more money. But to me, life is not just career and money. We can learn lots more in universtiy/college.
On the other hand, the tuition cost is another issue.
I have a good Ivy League story. Over time, I have worked with and hired many Ivy Leaguers. I have found they fall into two categories 1) Brilliant or 2) Spoiled fraud.
Here's an example of a spoiled fraud. My new hire was young Harvard grad. He mentioned this a lot. He seemed to have a sense of entitlement. The first day of work, he did not show up. I called him at home. "Oh, he said, I decided I'm going to work at home, I don't like commuting," he said. "Well, I said, if you want a job you have to show up here at the office."
He never showed up.
Status
PAW
11/30/2011 12:07:06 PM
Having a degree is a great starting point if someone is unsure about what they want to do. But, with the cost of college continuing to increase, I think that one needs to be more sure of what their educational goals are before they, and their parents, start spending all that money on tuition. Maybe college is not what they need.
Re: College is worth it if you have a plan
Scott Raynovich
11/30/2011 11:52:15 AM
I'd say right now college is worth it if you are getting a degree in science or engineering but not if you are studying poetry and drinking beer. There are still alot of well-paying jobs if you have unique engineering skills. Career focus is key.
You can always go into a field like sales or marketing with a cheap degree from a state school and do fine, if you are a good worker.
Re: College is worth it if you have a plan
Phoenix
11/30/2011 11:23:14 AM
Deciding on the right career path is the most difficult decision that you will ever take when it comes to your education after high school. I chose medicine while in high school but realized that was not my calling right before entering college and took a year off to work and think things through.
Luckily for me my job gave me all the answers I needed and I went to college to study business management. The year I worked in the industry before actually getting my degrees really gave me a lot of valuable insight into what I was going to get myself into and I found it much easer to understand what was taught in class since I had already experienced it in a real life working environment. I think it might be a good idea to actually get a job in the field you are interested in for a short time before investing in a college education in that field. I think it will help you make the right choice before spending valuable time and money on it. What do you think?
@Noreen I think your second and third daughters did the right thing by taking time to think things through when they were not sure of their choices.
PAW, even though communications is always joked on as a major (and i understand why) I think any degree can be a great starting point for a career, so even if you dont find your passion until after college at least you still have the first degree out of the way.
Jobs like yours and mine require specific degrees to break into, that is not the case for every job, so i think just haveing a degree can be a great starting point if someone is unsure.
I work with someone who has an Electrical Engineering degree but works in the field troubleshooting issues because that is what he loves, he could make more money doing design, but he would hate being in an office behind a desk. so even a focused degree like engineering or accounting can go to waste if someone losses their passion for it.
Re: Status
PAW
11/30/2011 11:02:47 AM
I agree that going to college can open doors for you career wise; it certainly has for me. This was especially true after I received a Master's degree. College did prepare me for a specific career – Accounting (thankfully, I changed my major from Psychology to Business). But, too many times, college kids are not sure what they are in college for resulting in degrees that are worthless in the job market. For example, before my nephew started college (he didn’t know what he wanted to major in), I told him that he should take a year and travel and figure out what he really wanted to do. I still think it is a good idea but he went to college right out of high school and is now a “Communications” major. I’m not really sure what that means or what type of job that will get him.
PAW, though you do not have to go to college in order to be sucessful, it can only help, more in some cases depending on what you desire to do with your life. As an engineer I would not be where I am currently if it were not for graduating college.
I think each person will need to make sure that college is a fit for them, at the right time. and not every single person is ready for college at the age of 18, some people are better off going off and gaining some life experience before getting a degree.
Excellent points @Street Smart. A little maturity and life experience can transform the whole college experience.
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