Software should be updated. But companies should not release updates in beta.
Re: Call me cautious
Macbrewer
3/27/2012 12:57:29 AM
You keep pretending Apple does automatic updates. You are wrong, they do not. Please show us the documentation for this, you can't, because they don't do it, never have. New product can't run the old versions, that is all. You can reformat going back to the original OS. Firmware can't be reverted. You would probably all actually understand this the Windoze hardware HAD firmware. It does not, it has 80's era, BIOS.
Re: Call me cautious
Macbrewer
3/27/2012 12:52:33 AM
You are the clown here, Noreen. You seem to think software should never be updated. You seem to think everyone is having trouble with their iPhone, but it's really the clowns running Windoze or the pointlessly inept Windows media / RIMM or whatever you are you are actually pumping here in this bizarre little corner of the Internet where truth is a apparently a joke. You do not have to update your iPhone. What makes you think you do?
Hey Ronald, (Oh sorry, I was confusing you with the clown from McDonalds as opposed to the comedian from MacBrewer)
The iPhone Dev Team said in its blog post that with A5 devices like iPad 2 and iPhone 4S, it was not possible to downgrade to any older iOS 5.x firmware, even if the SHSH blobs (Signature HaSH blobs) are saved.
Clearly, you are not part of the Genius Bar, so I will elaborate on that post here with an exerpt:
- Soon after 5.1 appears on Apple's public servers (i.e. iTunes starts to offer it), Apple will stop signing 5.0.1 SHSH blobs.
- If you have an iPhone4S, the basic rule above is really the only rule: you cannot restore back to 5.0.1 once the 5.0.1 signing window is closed, no matter what (even if you saved your SHSH blobs).
- If you have an iPad2 with saved 4.x hashes, you can in fact downgrade to that 4.x but you won't be able to get to 5.0.1 once the 5.0.1 signing window is closed (even if you saved your 5.0.1 SHSH blobs).
- If you have a device earlier than the iPad2, you can downgrade to whatever version you want, as long as you have saved SHSH blobs for that version. You'll need the assistance of geohot's limera1n exploit with tools like redsn0w to get into "pwned DFU mode" and bypass the downgrade restriction. (ed.note: Does that sound like something the average iPhone user can do?)
Re: Call me cautious
chapAnjou
3/26/2012 10:33:05 PM
"Yes, Macbrewer, they have, because products that fail to conform to the UCC violate federal laws -- and if you push for replacemements, you can often get them -- whether they are under warranty and whether or not they are made by Apple, Toshiba, Sony, HP, or any other brand."
No Noreen, listen to Macbrewer. Apple is doing this out of the kindness of its heart! Don't take the generous gift of a (finally) working (temporarily) product for granted! ;)
All apple bashing aside, I think both computer companies should stop with automatic anything. The simple fact is that Apple is more guilty of this than Microsoft (this simply cannot be argued) and it's not a good experience for the user.
Yes, Macbrewer, they have, because products that fail to conform to the UCC violate federal laws -- and if you push for replacemements, you can often get them -- whether they are under warranty and whether or not they are made by Apple, Toshiba, Sony, HP, or any other brand.
However, a suggestion for you.
Perhaps you could get a refund on your lithium. It does not appear to be working.
@Macbrewer,
Wow -- hitting the AAPL Kool-Aid a little hard today?
I think Noreen makes a lot of valid points like why do you have to accept continuous software updating if you don't want it?
Re: Call me cautious
Macbrewer
3/26/2012 8:38:21 PM
"The nerve of the author to expect a product to behave the she wants it to and not... (And more rambling misrepresentations)
iTunes totally restores the device to *ANY* SAVED STATE, including all apps and data. Buy a clue.
She has a lot of nerve to misrepresent this, just because, like you, she has a blinkered, Windoze-induced view.
And that bit about auto update is a BOLD LIE! No way that ever happens in *ANY*APPLE*DEVICE* she is CONFUSING her iPhone with the PC she is promoting.
Re: The New Apple
chapAnjou
3/26/2012 7:53:54 PM
@ProfR,
well said! and I particularly agree with your sentiment towards "the idea of auto updates so everyone has the same code on the same devises"
You're right, windows is a little (read: a lot) over the top with its constant updates. And their updates can be very scary when you see stuff like "In this update, we fixed a security loophole that allows hackers to break into your computer even while it's off! Yay us!" haha
On the other hand though, like you said, if you're going to force users to update, then you have to be 100% positive that there are no flaws with your code. What's even worse when the code fails though is that you can't blame different user setups for the issue. After all, they've been updating left and right so everyone's on equal ground.
Re: Call me cautious
chapAnjou
3/26/2012 7:44:55 PM
@Macbrewer
"No Noreen, this is not Windoze land. You cannot 'roll it back'."
The nerve of the author to expect a product to behave the way she wants it to and not be forced to use what the company feels is best for her! Let the consumer choose if they don't like something and not just be told "Looks like you're out of luck, bub"
And not to burst your apple-shaped bubble but the "Genius bar"...isn't a thing that Apple has pioneered...it's called customer service...and every...single...company has some form of it. It looks like the geniuses at the bar aren't really doing their jobs if they claim ignorance to a problem that multiple customers are experiencing, though.
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