I understand--it's hard to shake the feeling that it will all be more of the same no matter who gets elected. But maybe there is a one in a million chance that one person will really make a difference.
Re: Economic and social implications
chapAnjou
4/10/2012 11:35:42 AM
I wouldn't exactly group myself under "sane people", haha, but you're very right Noreen. The problem is the contradicting feelings I have when it comes to politics...part of me hates what's going, the other part doesn't care enough to do anything.
When it comes to politics, it just seems that everyone's a fanatic in one direction or the other.
You know, @chapAnjou, if you hate thinking you're "contributing to the general politcal malaise (even if it's the smallest of contributions)," you could force yourself to change that. If sane people don't vote, only the fanatics will decide the future.
Re: Economic and social implications
chapAnjou
4/10/2012 11:21:58 AM
That's a very good point Ashish, and I hate thinking that I'm contributing to the general politcal malaise (even if it's the smallest of contributions). I totally agree with you though that if people stop trying, then of course there will never be any change.
On a good note (for me at least), I don't have any political/religious leanings, so I'm perfectly fine taking a "whatever happens, happens" approach.
If you want to see surreal, follow the election in France, where the socialists are giving Sarkozy a run of for the money. In fact the latest proposal has his opponent raising the highest tax bracket to 75%!
It is amazing to me that after everything that has happened in Europe a politcian comes along to say we haven't had enough of it! We need more government spending and higher taxes! Amazing.
Re: Economic and social implications
back2basicz
4/9/2012 3:52:18 PM
Anjou,
Way too many Americans think like you do today.
That,their Vote and Voice does not matter.And I dont blame them after all this are the same people in DC who have repeatedly destroyed our Hopes of a better future for ourselves and our children one after another,After another.
But that does not mean we should stop trying to make our voice heard.
This is the only way to force these people who control the levers of power to change ther behavior.
It has to happen,One small step at a time.
Ashish.
Re: Economic and social implications
chapAnjou
4/9/2012 12:42:29 PM
@Ashish,
While I think your ideas are drastic (and not in a bad way), I am in complete agreement that it will take drastic change to shake things up. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I personally feel like my voice doesn't matter in anything dealing with politics...hence why I'm probably not the best person to talk to about these kinds of things haha.
Re: Economic and social implications
back2basicz
4/4/2012 12:46:55 PM
Anjou,
I can dream can't I?
The Message Board I started here on IU talks about these issues in great details
http://www.investoruprising.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=244605
We have a choice today,we either become a Total Nanny state (where the State takes control of all assets and then proceeds to allocate them to the Highest Bidder and in the most inefficent fashion) or we take Control back and put it back in the hands of Individuals-I prefer to decide what is best for myself,rather than have the Govt foist some crazy idea on me.
Unless you are prepared to accept that there is something wrong with the current system,you will not be able to change it.
Also,the time for small/incremental changes in America's debt burden has passed.
Unless we are prepared to see massive change in the way America goes about its day to day affairs we are heading for a Debt default of Gigantic proportions.
For more on this please see
http://www.thedailycrux.com/Article/39936/US_Treasuries
http://dragonflycap.com/2012/04/03/the-day-the-music-died-for-bonds/
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/03/wilbur-ross-long-term-bond-bubble.html
Regards
Ashish.
Re: Economic and social implications
chapAnjou
4/4/2012 12:27:00 PM
"Just shut-down the Department of Education and remove Federal Loan Guarantees for College Loans.
Then watch the Fun as Universities have to genuinely compete for Students by offering the best and most cost-competitive services.
This is the Ron Paul way of doing things."
@Ashish, I don't know if you were saying this as a negative statement or a positive one. I'm assuming it was said as a positive statement, in which case I have to wholeheartedly disagree. Your ideas are such a dramatic change that I highly doubt any elected official would be able to pass these things without so much opposition that the bill would be in limbo for years.
I think it's an interesting concept, I just doubt that all it would take is a person to be elected for it to come to fruition
Re: Economic and social implications
mInvestor
3/31/2012 11:19:07 PM
@Ashishi,
That's a great idea. It's going to solve many problems.
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