Re: Economic and social implications
back2basicz
4/12/2012 3:04:28 PM
Anjou,
Quite right.
Actually,Hitler was voted in on a platform to stop Hyper-Inflation that was prevalent in Weimar Germany.
Initially,the Intelligent was very much with him as he moved to restore Germany to its past Glory which was lost in World War I;it was only later (sadly much-much later) when they realised the full extent of his madness did they decide to stop supporting him.
By then,however it was too late....
In Today's Europe you are unlikely to such a sceanario repeat itself;for the simple reason that Germany today already owns all of Europe(which falls under the Eurozone).
Quite Ironic,What Hitler could not achieve even after sacrficing Millions of lives,the Euro accomplished without even a shot fired(yet).
Regards
Ashish.
Re: Election in France
back2basicz
4/12/2012 3:00:23 PM
Scott,
The Economist is actually running a Debate on this very issue currently.
Its called "The House believes the Political Class is failing in France".
And Guess what? Your Winning;By more than 80% of the Vote!!!
http://www.economist.com/debate/overview/226&sa_campaign=debateseries/debate101/alert/round/closings?fsrc=nlw|dbt|4-11-2012|1357329|36312584|
The Cool thing is most of Economist's audience is European/liberal.
Still they also think that France has gone too far with its silly processes.
Regards
Ashish.
Re: Economic and social implications
cat tail
4/11/2012 12:59:42 PM
chapAnjou, maybe I was unclear. I'm not saying anyone should be denied a voice, even fanatics of one brand or another, What I'm saying is that unless all the other people -- who fill in the spectrum between the most extreme proponents on the right and left -- also make their voices heard, then the results are skewed.
Re: Economic and social implications
chapAnjou
4/11/2012 12:50:28 PM
@Noreen,
In an effort to stem all of my negativity, let me just say that your best case scenario is exactly what I want to see happen. I think it is possible for the voice of the few to trump the voice of the many.
Honestly, all I care about is that me and my family are happy and enjoying life...that seems to be the case these days, so I'm not too bothered with what's going on in the background.
Re: Economic and social implications
chapAnjou
4/11/2012 12:44:38 PM
@Ashish,
I know this wasn't your whole point and I'm just focusing on a very tiny piece, but I'm just thinking aloud:
Was the election of Hitler to office in Germany the result of the intelligent choosing not to do anything and letting the loonies run the asylum? Or was it a case of the intelligent being just as intelligent as ever and voting in a man they believed would deliver their country from the economic hell that it had fallen into?
Hindsight is a wonderul thing in this case....it would be one thing if:
a.) Hitler had run on the platform of: "will commit atrocities for the greater good"
b.) intelligent people did nothing
c.) extremists voted him into power
but I don't believe that's how it all worked out.
Re: Economic and social implications
chapAnjou
4/11/2012 12:38:02 PM
"...we can't just allow the people on the fringes -- right or left -- to have a voice."
@cat tail, but isn't this the point of a democracy? That every group has a say in what's going on? It's like the whole issue where everyone pines for Freedom of speech until someone says something that upsets them haha.
In my opinion, everyone should have a voice. I'll disagree with about 95% of anything that's being said, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be heard.
Re: Election in France
back2basicz
4/11/2012 9:35:20 AM
Scott,
On The Latest news from the French Campaign Trail,I hear that Francois Hollande had to back-pedal on his 75% Wealth Tax proposal;primarily because of Pressure from his country's footballers-Who all Threathened to leave(and play elsewhere in Europe) if this Tax was implemented.
More here,(its in French so you might need to use Google Translate)
http://www.lefigaro.fr/sport-business/2012/03/02/20006-20120302ARTFIG00448-football-la-taxe-hollande-pourrait-faire-perdre-1-milliard.php
No matter how Socialist a Politican is in Europe,He dare not mess with his country's footballers.
That's like a death sentence for his Political Career.
Regards
Ashish.
P.S But Yeah I get your basic idea-Europeans would rather someone else paid for their benefits rather they hunker down and accept the fact that they need to work harder for less Income & Benefits need to be slashed sharply.
Demographics(which are declining very,very sharply in most of Europe) is an inescapable trend(it also does'nt help that they are vehemently anti-Immigrantion).
Spain's next in line-Raise Taxes in A recession
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/04/slow-road-to-hell-spain-entertains-vat.html
Who was the smart dude,who said the Definition of Insanity is Doing the same thing again and again and expecting Different Results????
But then we have Clowns like Paul Krugman-The Fed needs to ease further!! We have'nt eased enough .LOL!!!
Re: Economic and social implications
back2basicz
4/11/2012 9:03:11 AM
Cat tail,
we need more independent voices like you in charge and voting big time for political change.
Otherwise November is Gonna be a Battle between the White Obama(Romney) and the Black Obama....
No real change is going to come from either candidates.
Romney in particular will just take us further and further to a disastrous war with the Iranians from which there will never be any Good news coming out.
http://mojoe.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/06/11054920-zbigniew-brzezinski-romney-is-playing-around-with-matches-on-iran
If Gas Prices at $10/Gallon is Good news,then Yes Romney is the right man for DC.
My only hope for Sanity is most of those Crowds were meant to rally the war-mongers amongst the Republican Party.
Otherwise,its curtains for the American Growth story as we know it.
Regards
Ashish.
Re: Economic and social implications
back2basicz
4/11/2012 8:55:17 AM
Anjou,
To get an understanding of what happens when Intelligent People get disinterested/disenfranchised from the whole political process(which has been happening in America for the last Three-Four Decades,a little after JFK became the President);Take a Look at Germany under Hitler.
Don't Forget Hitler was democratically elected.
Or Closer home,just check out the crazy stuff our own Government in America is doing (and has been doing for the past few decades);particularly with where they spend Taxpayers Money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQvGecMg6Q&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5faReUdN50&feature=relmfu
http://www.infowars.com/30-stupid-things-the-government-is-spending-money-on/
http://www.newworldorderwar.com/50-facts-about-america-that-should-blow-your-mind/
In particular some classics that I love include-
1)Paying American Farmers 2 Billion Dollars (Yes Two Billion);to not Farm their Land;
2)Paying Pakistani Farmers 30 million Dollars to Develop better Mangoes...
3)The Useless Health Department plans to spend 500 million Dollars on Research trying to find out why Children can't sit still.
4)100,000 Dollars on a Celebrity Fruit Promotion show in Indonesia!!!
Read the full list on Infowars.
Initially I found the list so funny I had to double-check to verify its veracity.
When I did Verify,I realised that the Government needs to Shut down with Immediate Effect ,the respective Departments of Health,Education & sharp cuts in Militiary Spending-If the Japanese,Germans,Koreans and the Arabs want us to be their Policemen-Then start paying us for the Privilige-How does USD 75000 per every Single American Soldier we deploy overseas sound??
Which is why my position was so strong when I made my first post here.
Thing is its one issue,if The US Government had the money for this programs.Today,we clearly don't.We are running Budget Deficits as far as the eye can see and Printing Money to pay Interest on our Debt.
I already know what will happen if we slice these useless items of our Budget-The US Dollar will strengthen and once again,we will move onwards towards becoming a Real Economic Superpower(as Capital starts returning to America) because of faith that the US will not default on its Debt.
Regards
Ashish.
Re: Economic and social implications
cat tail
4/10/2012 12:11:38 PM
The political system really does make you feel disenfranchised. I guess the only reason I vote is because I refuse to let the inmates run the asylum. Like it was noted early, we can't just allow the people on the fringes -- right or left -- to have a voice.
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