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Tenacious
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Hopeful
Tenacious   6/7/2012 8:03:39 AM
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It's reassuring to see that someone is at least looking at realistic options for young adults. These jobs may not make anyone rich, but they can get people on the right track.

chapAnjou
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Re: Hopeful
chapAnjou   6/7/2012 2:43:25 PM
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"It's reassuring to see that someone is at least looking at realistic options for young adults. These jobs may not make anyone rich, but they can get people on the right track."

@Tenacious, exactly! College students think that they're going to leave college and a job is just going to be waiting for them.  I mean, hey, they were able to drink all weekend, study through the night and pass that final exam...the same rules apply for the real world, right?

Sometimes you have to roll your sleeves up and doing something you hate doing because:

1.) it's making you money and teaching you the responsibilities that come with having a job and pulling in money

2.) it'll make you truly appreciate what it means to get a real job that doesn't make you despise waking up every morning.


Drivewaygirl
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Not appealing
Drivewaygirl   6/7/2012 8:06:45 AM
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Who really wants to grow up to be a janitor or a bill collector?

cat tail
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Re: Not appealing
cat tail   6/7/2012 8:16:06 AM
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Someone who wants to pay the rent or other monthly bills.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Not appealing
Noreen Seebacher   6/7/2012 8:29:23 AM
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Yep, realities like that make a lot of jobs look better than you might expect.

Value Hiker
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Re: Not appealing
Value Hiker   6/7/2012 12:42:00 PM
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Angelo Mozilo, Country Wide CEO, worked as a bill collector in LA at the early stage of his career. He said he needed to storm inside the debtors' house around 6AM so he could reprocess some assets without being shot by angry men inside.

It doesn't matter where you start with, what matters is where you end up with. 

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Not appealing
Noreen Seebacher   6/7/2012 12:43:59 PM
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Ah but Value Hiker...things didn't end all that well for Angelo, did they?

Value Hiker
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Re: Not appealing
Value Hiker   6/7/2012 1:01:56 PM
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@Noreen. That is a different story. For career developement, Angelo's achivement is super, a true story from rags to riches. Of course, he fell miserably at the end. His failure was due to the greed and arrogance, not the bill-collector job.

Noreen Seebacher
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Re: Not appealing
Noreen Seebacher   6/7/2012 1:10:56 PM
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LOL-agreed. Plenty of CEOs started out on the low rung of the pole

TelecomFreq
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Re: Not appealing
TelecomFreq   6/7/2012 1:39:45 PM
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There are a good amount of CEOs that start out on the bottom and work there way up. Those are always interesting stories. It is difficult to stay motivated to advance a career for that long and from such a low starting point.

papapy1st
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Re: Not appealing
papapy1st   6/10/2012 8:59:43 PM
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Lol u sound like u are 1 of them.

chapAnjou
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Re: Not appealing
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 8:44:30 AM
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"Who really wants to grow up to be a janitor or a bill collector?"

@Drivewaygirl, generally no one wants to be those things...but people have to realize that sometimes life is about stepping stones.  You get a non-glamorous job to pay bills and in the meantime you search out something that you truly want to do with your life.

TelecomFreq
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Telecom
TelecomFreq   6/7/2012 9:51:15 AM
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I am gald to see entry level telecom jobs on this list. they are a great place for someone who is technicaly minded to grow.

After working entry to mid level IT jobs for a handful of years in the early to mid 2000s i steped into an entry level job in telecom installing equipment. They provided on the job training for 12 weeks to get my whole new hire class trained. By taking advantage of other training that was offered to me through the company, and going back to school, I was able to work my way up to an engineer level postion in just over 5 years, and there is still much growth for me career wise.

It takes time and effort; but there are still jobs out there that people can grow with. I just wish there were more of them.

 

Phoenix
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Re: Telecom
Phoenix   6/7/2012 9:47:51 PM
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It's good to hear your story on how you managed to get to where you are working your way up. I was very lucky since when I got out of university there were a whole list of companies in line offering me jobs of course the economy was doing well. I don't think that will happen in any time soon in the near future. I think even after you get a job you should continue with further studies to upgrade your skills and remain competitive.

Street Smart
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Re: Telecom
Street Smart   6/8/2012 8:27:51 AM
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Totally agree @Phoenix.  In this day and age of great community colleges, trade schools and certificate programs, there is no reason why people shouldn't be lifelong learners and advance their job prospects in the process.

icebreaker1975
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What happened to the old adage....
icebreaker1975   6/7/2012 1:32:22 PM
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of " a job is a job, especially if you don't have one."  And "a check is a check."  If someone gets desperate enough or if they have a family to feed they will take anything just to "get on their feet."

chapAnjou
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It's not the economy
chapAnjou   6/7/2012 2:39:07 PM
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If 30% of young adults are having a hard time finding jobs, then it's time to do something other than sit around all day waiting for opportunities to land in their laps.  I'd like to know how many of those 30% haven't just been conditioned to believe that "it's the economy" and not themselves that are the problem.

For example, we just rejected an applicant for an internship...why?  Was it her resume? No, it looked fine enough.  Was it her personality? No, she seemed like she cared and would have done a good job.  What was it?  It was the fact that she didn't write a thank you letter to the people that interviewed her.  The sad thing is that I'm sure she's going to scamper off and blame the economy for not getting the job...

papapy1st
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Re: It's not the economy
papapy1st   6/10/2012 8:57:13 PM
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@chapanju wow, I am shocked people can lose job opportunities this way,thanks for the heads up.

chapAnjou
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Re: It's not the economy
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 8:33:40 AM
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@papapy1st, I know it sounds trivial, but the thank you letter is part of the 3 pillars of getting a job: 1.) resume 2.) interview 3.) thank you letter/email

The resume gets your foot in the door and the interview shows that you know your stuff and are enjoyable to be around on a day to day basis.  However, it's the thank you letter that shows you have a sense of respect and appreciate that people took time out of a busy day to make time for you and see what you're about.

It's a very overlooked thing that not many ppl talk about the importance of.

Street Smart
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Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
Street Smart   6/7/2012 4:33:32 PM
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Great list @Joey, but there is a mighty unfortunate mismatch between the salaries those jobs pay and their location in one of the most expensive cities on earth.

There is just simply no way that a kid could live in NYC on those salaries, which means that kids "lucky" enough to get those jobs will be living at home or with a bazillion roommates for a long, long time!

PredictableChaos
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
PredictableChaos   6/8/2012 9:17:06 AM
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"Bill Collector" will be a rapidly growing job.

That says something about the future of our economy.  And it doesn't sound positive.

Street Smart
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
Street Smart   6/8/2012 9:48:11 AM
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@PredictableChaos, not only does "bill collector" sound like a bad sign in a macro sense; it sounds like a terrible, soul-sucking job for the person who holds it...

Broadway
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
Broadway   6/9/2012 3:47:21 PM
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The "bill collector" reference reminds me of a local news story of a teenager who turned in his parents to the cops for growing pot in their basement. In this same way, today's Millennials should become bill collectors and essentially hunt out and punish their debt-laden, ostentatious, consumerism-obsessed parents. 

Street Smart
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
Street Smart   6/9/2012 5:38:34 PM
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@Broadway, that's hilarious!  Except in both the pot-growing and bill-collecting cases, BAD strategy if your parents are your landlords!

chapAnjou
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 8:46:06 AM
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"@Broadway, that's hilarious!  Except in both the pot-growing and bill-collecting cases, BAD strategy if your parents are your landlords!"

@Streetsmart, hahaha! I can just picture the kid being like "oh wait...can I get a do over??"

Street Smart
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
Street Smart   6/11/2012 10:00:53 AM
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@chapAnjou, just to clarify, I have no problem with gainfully employed young people moving back home to save money.  I think it's a great strategy.

But keyword "strategy."  It needs to be something thought out in advance in service of a long-term goal or plan on the part of the kid, not a default, drifting "no better offer" situation that an underemployed young person falls into and never escapes.

 

chapAnjou
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 10:04:19 AM
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@Street Smart, oh yeah man, I assumed as much.  I was just throwing my 2 cents into the mix.  You're right, the keyword is definitely "strategy" hahaha.  Like I said, if you can stay home and actually save money while pursuing what you really want to do, it's such a smart (temporary haha) tactic to set yourself up to be comfortable in the near future.

driven
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
driven   6/11/2012 10:37:28 AM
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I question why young adults would see it as anything other than a strategy. I mean, really, You WANT to live with mom and dad indefinetly?

chapAnjou
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 8:41:43 AM
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"'Bill Collector' will be a rapidly growing job.

That says something about the future of our economy.  And it doesn't sound positive."


@PredicatableChaos, you're right...that says nothing good about the future...there's a canabalistic quality to it, isn't there?  People steeped in bills hunting down other people in the same position...

PredictableChaos
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
PredictableChaos   6/11/2012 10:44:21 AM
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People steeped in bills hunting down other people in the same position...

Most people who are late on their payments still have good intentions but are simply in a temporary tight spot, with not enough money to pay everything on time.  So yes - a prediction that we'll need more bill collectors is ironic in a post that's trying to be positive about economic opportunity. 

It seems like a line from a stand-up comedy making fun of how much the economy is improving.

AskAsa
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
AskAsa   6/11/2012 10:48:57 AM
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LOL PC!

Dex
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
Dex   6/11/2012 10:56:25 AM
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Deadbeats like the poor will always be with us, in spite of any economic conditions.

Drivewaygirl
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
Drivewaygirl   6/11/2012 11:06:19 AM
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and bill collecting will always be a job for people with hearts of stone and tough skin.

chapAnjou
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 12:36:48 PM
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"and bill collecting will always be a job for people with hearts of stone and tough skin."


@Drivewaygirl, I don't think you need to have a heart of stone as a bill collector.  I mean, it certainly takes a partiuclar type of person to do the job, but a heart of stone isn't one of the requirements.  You just have to look at it like, this person was unable to pay for that $5000 TV and now there are consequences...

AskAsa
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
AskAsa   6/11/2012 4:00:15 PM
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Yep, that's a good way of looking at it. Although I would feel differently if I had, say medical bills and no job, and kept getting calls about it day and night.

chapAnjou
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 12:34:17 PM
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"Deadbeats like the poor will always be with us, in spite of any economic conditions."

@Dex, that's the thing, isn't it?  Even in the best of times from an economy perspective, there's still people that are unable to find jobs, unable to pay what they owe, etc. 

I think a lot of this has to do with kids that are being brought up in environments where they're not being taught to work hard and be rewarded.  To bring us back on topic with this article, I think Joey did a really good job bringing up the idea that there's lots of work out there if people are willing to do it. 

This list, combined with a new generation of hard workers (and lack of a sense of entitlement) would do wonders for our country and economic situation.


AskAsa
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
AskAsa   6/11/2012 3:59:09 PM
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Excellent point ChapAnjou. Sometimes we get so caught up in the quest for a dream job that we forget to come back to reality.

chapAnjou
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 12:31:12 PM
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"So yes - a prediction that we'll need more bill collectors is ironic in a post that's trying to be positive about economic opportunity."


@PredictableChaos, hahaha, good point.  Irony aside, though, and I still have to agree with you though.  The amount of people unable to pay bills is going to continue to go up and up as ppl continue to live outside their means.

chapAnjou
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Re: Not So Fast on that Guestroom Conversion
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 8:38:16 AM
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"There is just simply no way that a kid could live in NYC on those salaries, which means that kids "lucky" enough to get those jobs will be living at home or with a bazillion roommates for a long, long time!"


@Street Smart, well said man.  I know I sound like a broken record, but this again all comes down to a college student's vision of post-college life vs. the reality of entering the real world.

The smartest thing a college student can do is suck up their pride, get a decent job from that list, and move back in with the folks for a bit to stockpile money. If you're smart and don't waste your money, you can build a really comfortable cushion while pursuing what you actually want to do.

mInvestor
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Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
mInvestor   6/10/2012 4:56:14 PM
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@Joey,
Interesting article, and you touched an important topic.

You wrote "The report notes, however, that there remain some difficulties in getting the city's young adults into these vacancies. Proposed solutions include helping prospective employees get their driver's licenses, which has been identified as a major barrier to young adult employment"

I am wondering why is so difficult for young people getting a driver license. That sounds like quite surprise to me.

 

chapAnjou
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 10:13:58 AM
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"I am wondering why is so difficult for young people getting a driver license. That sounds like quite surprise to me."

@mInvestor, it sounds like an excuse to me.  Like, "oh, I would have received that job if only I had a license".  If that's a barrier that someone is unable or unwilling to overcome, then they need to find something that they can do without a built-in hurdle to conveniently stop them from achieving their goals.


driven
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
driven   6/11/2012 10:36:21 AM
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Maybe. But keep in mind that in NYC a lot of people do not own family cars. And say you live in a multi-generational home-neither you or your parents have a car but your uncle in the same household does. If you get a driver's license, then NYS law requires your uncle to add you to his policy. That's a potentially big expense, and reason why some people may elect to simply not get a license.

chapAnjou
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
chapAnjou   6/11/2012 12:25:44 PM
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"Maybe. But keep in mind that in NYC a lot of people do not own family cars. And say you live in a multi-generational home-neither you or your parents have a car but your uncle in the same household does. If you get a driver's license, then NYS law requires your uncle to add you to his policy. That's a potentially big expense, and reason why some people may elect to simply not get a license."

@Driven, this is a very good point that I hadn't thought about. 

However, a young adult living at home with literally no expenses other than student loans should be able to afford paying the uncle a set amount each month to offset any increase by adding to the policy.  This would teach pretty good life lessons while still maintaining some form of safety net.


AskAsa
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
AskAsa   6/11/2012 4:00:57 PM
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I'm still amazed at the numbers of adults who do not drive in the NYC area, insurance or not.

driven
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
driven   6/11/2012 4:20:33 PM
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Yes, city or not, I think it is practical to know how to drive a car. Too bad most high schools have nixed driver education.

Dex
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
Dex   6/11/2012 4:31:03 PM
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If I had to pick an industry on that list, I would lean toward hospitality. It's the one are where the human touch is still valued.

Drivewaygirl
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
Drivewaygirl   6/11/2012 6:17:45 PM
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Good call on hospitality -- yep one of the few areas robots can't really compete

mInvestor
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Re: Driver license: major barrier to get a job???
mInvestor   6/11/2012 7:42:12 PM
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If they don't want to get a driver license, then what do they do? Don't drive?

On the other hand, going school probably cost more, but it's better to graduate somewhere so they find find a better job. In that case, shall young people just don't go to school?

Still a puzzle to me.

 

Street Smart
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Reality Check!
Street Smart   6/11/2012 6:08:34 PM
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Found this on Facebook...making the rounds I would guess.

Graduation message at Wellesley High School in Massachusetts:

"You're not special."  Better get those driver's licenses, kids!  You'll be needing them for your careers as taxi drivers!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/commencement-speaker-blasts-students/2012/06/08/gJQATvF1MV_blog.html

Drivewaygirl
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Re: Reality Check!
Drivewaygirl   6/11/2012 6:16:51 PM
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Whlle I don't disagree with the sentiment, the language is a little harsh!

Street Smart
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Re: Reality Check!
Street Smart   6/11/2012 8:49:15 PM
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I agree, @Drivewaygirl.  What a cranky guy!  I couldn't help wondering if he had kid(s) himself.  Because, fact is, every kid in the world needs a fan club!  I'm not sure how you're magically supposed to find your passion if no one is behind you in the search.

In my opinion, my kids walk on water.  Always have, always will.  Doesn't mean I pay their bills, but I DO believe in them!

Broadway
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Re: Reality Check!
Broadway   6/11/2012 10:11:13 PM
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If you don't have your parents emotionally supporting you, you better have a great partner, or great friends. Otherwise, you better be one tough mutha f'er. As for graduation speakers who are jerks, hopefully they don't get another speaking job. The one requisite of a graduation speaker is POSITIVITY!

Street Smart
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Re: Reality Check!
Street Smart   6/12/2012 6:33:44 AM
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So true about the need for positivity, @Broadway.  For many these days, graduation day is the last moment of celebrating achievement before the realities of the job market and student loan repayments intrude. 

Hard to see the harm in psyching up for the journey, isn't it?

Dex
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Re: Reality Check!
Dex   6/12/2012 9:55:01 AM
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Yep, let's demoralize them before they even start looking for jobs. Way to motivate a crowd!

AskAsa
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Re: Reality Check!
AskAsa   6/12/2012 10:02:28 AM
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I think there is a way to explain the perils of life and the realities of job hunting without deflating everyone's egos to the point they won't even feel like trying.

Tenacious
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Re: Reality Check!
Tenacious   6/12/2012 10:10:18 AM
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How about inverting it - and suggesting with so many smart, talented people that the search for a job can be challenging?

ProfR
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Re: Reality Check!
ProfR   6/12/2012 11:52:22 AM
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I don't see any problem starting at the bottom and striving to move up. I think there are many jobs in hospitality and other areas where you can do that. I think job hunters need to know their skills and experience and try to find a job where they can grow. 

cat tail
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Re: Reality Check!
cat tail   6/12/2012 11:53:59 AM
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You mean I can't expect an executive position with no experience and a BA in art history? Sheesh!

Tenacious
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Re: Reality Check!
Tenacious   6/12/2012 11:56:39 AM
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Really smart, confident people don't mind starting at the bottom because they know they have the drive and skills to win promotions. It's the slackers who complain.

chapAnjou
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Re: Reality Check!
chapAnjou   6/12/2012 12:20:12 PM
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@cat tail, haha! I know! Some world of opportunity we live in here...

chapAnjou
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Re: Reality Check!
chapAnjou   6/12/2012 12:19:08 PM
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"I think there is a way to explain the perils of life and the realities of job hunting without deflating everyone's egos to the point they won't even feel like trying."

@AskAska, I didn't really get that vibe from the speech.  Honestly, if any one of those students felt "deflated" after hearing those words, they unwillingly proved the speaker's words.

chapAnjou
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Re: Reality Check!
chapAnjou   6/12/2012 12:26:55 PM
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"So true about the need for positivity, @Broadway.  For many these days, graduation day is the last moment of celebrating achievement before the realities of the job market and student loan repayments intrude."

@Street Smart, this makes sense if it were a college graduation, but for high schoolers graduating from HS? They're quite a ways away from the real world hahaha.  I think it was a good idea that this man gave his speech when he did.  Perhaps after hearing that speech, some of those college freshmen will focus on what they want to actually be when they grow up and not what wine cooler they're gonna get messed up on next weekend haha.


chapAnjou
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Re: Reality Check!
chapAnjou   6/12/2012 12:14:47 PM
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"Found this on Facebook...making the rounds I would guess.
Graduation message at Wellesley High School in Massachusetts..."


I honestly thought that was an amazing and refreshing speech.  It's refreshing to hear someone telling soon-to-be college freshmen the real deal.  You know what's so unfortunate about that whole speech, though?  The fact that about 90% of the students didn't get it and still think they're the center of the universe.  Ah well, what can you do?

cat tail
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Re: Reality Check!
cat tail   6/12/2012 12:20:26 PM
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Yes! You know they can't be the center of the universe, because I am.

Tenacious
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Re: Reality Check!
Tenacious   6/12/2012 12:27:00 PM
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I guess we've had this coming: as parents we've over coddled the kids. And now we're stuck with their entitlement expectations.

tokyogai
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Re: Reality Check!
tokyogai   6/12/2012 2:41:12 PM
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I guess we have always expected to have more than our parents. A new reality seems to be setting in.

impactnow
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defintion
impactnow   6/11/2012 7:40:24 PM
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Joey interesting stats --can you tell me how young people are defined in the results from and age and education perspective?

Street Smart
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I'm Fine, Thanks!
Street Smart   6/14/2012 9:30:54 AM
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This is an amazing Kickstarter project, that I just donated to.  If you do NOTHING else, just watch this trailer.

My favorite line...of many...was a woman who said, "You climb to the ladder and you get to the top and then you discover that your ladder has been leaning against the wrong wall."

This video features everyday folks on a quest and I think it's just profound.  See if you agree!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cranktank/im-fine-thanks

yalanand
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Re: I'm Fine, Thanks!
yalanand   6/24/2012 7:59:53 AM
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@Street Smart, thanks for sharing that amazing link. I really liked the trailer. Its amazing to see more thatn 16 people have pledged more than 1000$. I am sure such initiative will help us to find the hidden talent.

yalanand
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Re : Hope for the Young & Jobless?
yalanand   6/24/2012 7:50:19 AM
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The report notes, however, that there remain some difficulties in getting the city's young adults into these vacancies. 

@Joey,thanks for the post. Really optimistic report but I am surprised to see that there are some  difficulties in getting the city's young adults into these vacancies. Does it mean that the unemployed youth have lost interest in job and are thus not improving their skill sets ?





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