Re: No...Yes...Maybe
tokyogai
8/6/2012 8:43:40 AM
I agree. I don't think I would want a doctor or lawyer or even engineer without a degree. College prepares you in many ways for life, but it is not for everyone and is not always necessary for success.
David Alan Mamet, a playwright who won a Pulitzer Prize and received a Tony nomination for Glengarry Glen Ross (1984), also received a Tony nomination for Speed-the-Plow (1988). As a screenwriter, he received Oscar nominations for The Verdict (1982) and Wag the Dog (1997).
Last year he wrote a book, The Secret Knowledge, in which he provided support for your point of view about higher education as you presented in your blog -- see chapter 24, which starts on page 123.
He makes some points that you and I discussed on this site some months ago, but he presents them in a concise and convincing manner, where I tend to be verbose and confrontational.
I hadn't gotten around to reading the NY Times Sunday Book Review until 11:30 last night, but when I read the link I'm about to give you, I sat bolt upright in bed and wasn't tired anymore.
I can't wait to read the book being reviewed, Teach Your Children Well: Parenting for Authentic Success by Madeline Levine.
Sounds like the author, a psychologist, makes the case that loving parenting should not have anything to do with pushing kids toward college.
Check it out to illuminate our discussion here!
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/books/review/teach-your-children-well-by-madeline-levine.html?pagewanted=all
Street smart is right on, the answer to this question is a complex one. and I have never really viewed Real Estate sales as a job one would need a degree for anyway.
But that being said, there is a need for a college degree to enter many fields. And even the fields where you need a dgree (or a TON of experience) to get your foot in the door on the job and vendor training will play a big role in how you move up the ranks.
Agree with @StreetSmart on this - it depends.
For some, college is the best investment they'll ever make.
For others, it's the worst. As we funnel more and more people on a treadmill straight from High School to College, more people are finding college is something they regret.
There needs to be more room for alternatives. The Cisco and Microsoft certification credentials seem to be one path that is a win-win-win. The sponsoring companies benefit as more people really understand their products. The network of employers benefit from standardized knowledge that's applicable to the workplace. And the students benefit from education that is directly applicable to work that remains in high demand.
PC
@Noreen, it's such a GOOD question, but the answer is so complex in my mind. The one thing that is clear is that things can't continue as they are now with unsustainable debt levels and record unemployment and underemployment for our young people. It's the stuff of revolt...and not just Occupy Wall Street.
I'd like to see the return of tracking in schools and vocational programs in high schools so that there truly is a viable alternative path for kids who don't have the interest and/or intellectual spark for traditional four-year schools.
That way, we wouldnt fall into the trap as a nation of punishing our best and brightest by having the pendulum swing too far toward trying to push our square peg vocational students into the round hole of college...any college at any price.
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